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Jun-08-19 | | sac 4 mate: Re the Kasparov-Kasimdzhanov match, FIDE delayed it several times when they couldn't come up with the money, but it was Kasparov who ultimately withdrew from the process. See https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-... I certainly wouldn't say Kasparov "ducked" a second match with Kramnik - but given that he passed up the Dortmund qualifier in 2002, and then withdrew from reunification in 2005, it's also false to say that he did everything in his power to secure that rematch. |
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Jul-07-19 | | rayoflight: Something worth noticing:
1-This match played from Oct 8th 2000 to Nov 4th 2000 which was almost at the end of the year.2-On 29 Nov 2016 after Taimanov passed away, Kasparov wrote on his Facebook:
"I also owe Mark Evgenievich (Taimanov) my own personal happiness. At the beginning of the year 2000, he called and asked me to speak at an event at the Saint Petersburg University of the Humanities. I had no special reason to want to go there, but I could not deny Taimanov! It was there that I met a student named Dasha Tarasova, who later became my wife." 3-On April 4th 2005, the match arbitrator Eric Schiller wrote on chessgames.com:
"Anyone who saw Kasparov just before the game knows that he was clearly greatly distracted by a non-chess matter. It was not appropriate for me, as arbiter, to ask why, so I didn't. He left quickly after the game. In many matches, things going on off the board affected some games, not just in Iceland 72. Perhaps Kasparov will write of such things in a future book, covering all of his matches." 4-Also I recall that Judit Polgar had said something to the same effect of Mr. Schiller but I don't remember the source now. Conclusion:
By putting all above together we can understand with a high percentage of assurance that what was the issue with Kasparov at this match, or at least one of his main issues. This does not undermine Kramnik's victory and caliber as he was a tough opponent for Kasparov even before this match. But it shows that Kasparov was not himself and was not playing at his real level of concentration and ability due to above distraction. had he been his real self, it is open to discuss the result though. |
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Jul-15-19 | | The Boomerang: "Dortmund 2002 was the qualifier for a title match with Kramnik (strangely, I can't find a tournament page for that here). Kasparov asked to bypass that qualification step based on the strength of his recent results, but the event was played, Kasparov refused his invitation, and Leko won and played in Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)." Thanks Beatgiant....I was aware of Kasparov avoiding the qualification process due to hia ego, but never thought all these years that he was ducking Kramnik. I thought that he would have won the rematch and am sad that it never happened. Kasparov clearly was not his usual level during the match, but Kramnik took full advantage of this with excellent play. |
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Jul-06-20 | | acirce: "I made my engines work like horse / I was supposed to move e4 and win by force" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKw... |
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Feb-18-24 | | keithbc: I think that the issue of whether Kasparov played below par is a serious one, I would agree that, although Kramnik played strongly, Kasparov did not win one game and did not ever try in several white games when he desperately needed a win (being 0-2) so Kasp DID play below his usual form in this match - end of. |
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Feb-18-24
 | | perfidious: <keithbc>, that apparent lack of ambition in Kasparov's play with White has always been a psychological puzzle to me; the only time I recall anything of the sort was in his first match with Karpov, which was, of course, a format requiring a set number of wins. |
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Feb-19-24 | | mk volkov: <perfidious <that apparent lack of ambition in Kasparov's play with White has always been a psychological puzzle to me> > "We didn't look at Ruy Lopez: Kramnik almost didn't play it, and I thought that it's too difficult to prepare Spanish and Scotch from scratch. Only in the end of the preparation to match I said: we should look at Berlin Defense. But we didn't do in-depth analysis..." "...I was shocked by detected holes in my set of openings both as White and as Black right away. I didn't know how to penetrate the Berlin Wall, and didn't want to discover another Kramnik's surprises in Grunfeld. Almost all my opening preparation went down the drain and we had to start it again almost from scratch!" (Kasparov. "My Chess Way" - after the defeat in the 2nd game.) |
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Feb-19-24
 | | saffuna: From the intro above:
<Keene writes:
I personally selected Kramnik as the most worthy and dangerous opponent to play Kasparov in 2000. We wanted the best opponent possible for Kasparov. We chose the highest rated opponent, Anand, but he refused, so we went to the next man down on the ratings, Kramnik, who, by the way, overtook Anand in the ratings while the latter was considering whether to play or not. > Uh, wasn't there a Shirov-Kramnik match in there somewhere? And didn't Shirov win? |
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Feb-19-24
 | | perfidious: <saffuna....Uh, wasn't there a Shirov-Kramnik match in there somewhere? And didn't Shirov win?> Yes and yes:
Shirov - Kramnik WCC Candidates Match (1998) |
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Feb-19-24
 | | Retireborn: <perf> As well as Shirov in 1998, Kramnik also lost matches to Kamsky and Gelfand in 1994.
Well, he'd only been a top player for a couple of years then. As World Champion, he barely scraped past Leko and Topalov. His match results have never been as impressive as his tournament victories. As for Kasparov, I think he'd already decided that Kramnik was his likely successor, and was simply unable to raise his game for the match. |
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Feb-19-24 | | Olavi: <saffuna....Uh, wasn't there a Shirov-Kramnik match in there somewhere? And didn't Shirov win?> Why should something that Rentero organized bind Keene? |
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Feb-20-24
 | | saffuna: <Why should something that Rentero organized bind Keene?> It didn't. But it was dishonest of Keene to ignore the Shirov-Kramnik match in how he told the story. |
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Feb-20-24 | | Olavi: I don't see that. Kramnik was a much more serious opponent than Shirov would have been. |
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Feb-20-24 | | mk volkov: <todicav23 <Also, Kasparov didn't really dominate Karpov. >> Kasparov, mostly, dominated Karpov. Except one game in Belfort (1988), Karpov didn't win a single tournament game (!!!) against Kasparov. An extremely fantastic fact, but it is so. |
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Feb-20-24
 | | saffuna: <Olavi: I don't see that. Kramnik was a much more serious opponent than Shirov would have been.> Irrelevant. My point was that Shirov defeated Kramnik in a match to challenge Kasparov, and Keene omitted this from his description of how the Kasparov-Kramnik match came to be. |
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Feb-20-24 | | mk volkov: <saffuna <We chose the highest rated opponent, Anand, but he refused, so we went to the next man down on the ratings, Kramnik, who, by the way, overtook Anand in the ratings>> I don't know what is he talking about. 1. Kramnik was chosen by Kasparov instead of Shirov, because Kasparov had +8 -0 against Shirov and +3 -3 against Kramnik. 2. Kramnik never was ahead of Anand in the ratings, except one short period in 2002, when both of them almost didn't play. |
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Feb-20-24
 | | beatgiant: <mk volkov> Your point 2. above is wrong. See https://ratings.fide.com/toparc.pht... for the rating list from July 2000, where Kramnik (2770) is indeed ahead of Anand (2762). |
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Feb-20-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi MK.
In the first sentence of the RDK quote which saffuna gave you will see RDK agrees with you regarding playing records. <"I personally selected Kramnik as the most worthy and dangerous opponent to play Kasparov in 2000."> Regarding ratings, Anand was ahead of Kramnik in October 2000 when the match was played. https://ratings.fide.com/toparc.pht... However, the negotiations for this match after interest in a Kasparov - Shirov match waned started in 1999 and in January 2000 Vishy was indeed ahead of Kramnik but as beatgiant notes, Kramnik did overtake Vishy in July. This must be what RDK was alluding too. |
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Feb-21-24 | | Olavi: <saffuna: <Olavi: I don't see that. Kramnik was a much more serious opponent than Shirov would have been.>
Irrelevant. My point was that Shirov defeated Kramnik in a match to challenge Kasparov, and Keene omitted this from his description of how the Kasparov-Kramnik match came to be.> Naturally he omitted it, because the Kramnik-Shirov match had nothing to do with how Kasparov-Kramnik came to be. Pity that the match against Shirov couldn't be organized, but that was irrelevant to Brain Games. |
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Feb-21-24 | | mk volkov: <beatgiant <Your point 2. above is wrong>> Well, that's weird.
http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... |
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Feb-21-24 | | mk volkov: Kramnik actually was №1 in FIDE rating in January 1996, but, again, I have no idea why Chessmetrics contradicts official FIDE ratings. |
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Feb-21-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi MK,
Around about that time there was a bit of turmoil going on with two world champions. Ratings were in a muddle. FIDE took away Kasparov's and Short ratings in 1993 so (and I'm guessing) a few of the non-FIDE events Kasparov arranged were never rated. Chessmetrics (and here I am not guessing) is an unofficial hobby horse, a dedicated labour of love if you will. I'd go with the RDK who organised the whole show over a few prettily coloured pie charts and graphs. Has Chessmetrics been hacked?
http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... near the bottom someone has added, mid sentence, a link to buy replica Rolex watches. "...and that is why I am so hopeful that all of you can help me by sending me <buy replica rolex watches for sale> corrections to my data." |
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Mar-06-24 | | mk volkov: Hi Sally. Thanks. Chessmetrics is weird, right. For example, when Kasdan in 1933 has 2nd rank without any competition where he could get that rank, it's wrong. Many aspects of Chessmetrics are irrelevant. |
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Mar-06-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi MK,
Chessmetrics is good in respect that it has people going back to look at the old masters games often out of curiosity because the only time they have seen their name before is when they have been carved up by Capablanca or Alekhine in a famous game and their opinion of the player changes. Milan Vidmar is a good example. He has appeared as the loser in quite a few best games collections Alekhine, Lasker, Capablanca, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Najdorf, Tartakower...a casual reader might think of him as a mere punching bag when in fact he was a very good player and Chessmetrics draws attention to this. http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... It is also something that had to be tried and at least the lad doing did it is a qualified statistician and computer buff but more important than that he has the passion for it. However It is a guideline and should not be used to compare ancient v modern players, there will be abnormalities popping up just like the current official system where a player can climb up a few places in the rating list by not playing when those around then have hit a poor run of form. |
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Mar-06-24
 | | MissScarlett: <It is also something that had to be tried and at least the lad doing did it is a qualified statistician and computer buff but more important than that he has the passion for it.> Passion? He abandoned the project about 20 years ago. |
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