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Tal Memorial Tournament

Levon Aronian5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Sergey Karjakin5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Shakhriyar Mamedyarov5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[games]
Alexander Grischuk5/9(+1 -0 =8)[games]
Hikaru Nakamura5/9(+1 -0 =8)[games]
Hao Wang5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Vladimir Kramnik4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Boris Gelfand3.5/9(+2 -4 =3)[games]
Alexey Shirov3/9(+1 -4 =4)[games]
Pavel Eljanov2.5/9(+1 -5 =3)[games]

 page 2 of 2; games 26-45 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
26. Shirov vs Aronian ½-½332010Tal MemorialC89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall
27. Nakamura vs H Wang ½-½252010Tal MemorialC11 French
28. Karjakin vs Grischuk ½-½462010Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
29. Gelfand vs Kramnik ½-½322010Tal MemorialE10 Queen's Pawn Game
30. Mamedyarov vs Eljanov 1-0492010Tal MemorialD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
31. Eljanov vs Karjakin ½-½562010Tal MemorialE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
32. Grischuk vs Shirov ½-½882010Tal MemorialD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
33. Kramnik vs Mamedyarov ½-½512010Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
34. H Wang vs Gelfand 1-0752010Tal MemorialD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
35. Aronian vs Nakamura ½-½602010Tal MemorialE63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
36. Karjakin vs Kramnik 1-0322010Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
37. Mamedyarov vs H Wang 1-0362010Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
38. Aronian vs Grischuk ½-½282010Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
39. Shirov vs Eljanov 1-0252010Tal MemorialB12 Caro-Kann Defense
40. Nakamura vs Gelfand ½-½442010Tal MemorialD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
41. Grischuk vs Nakamura ½-½902010Tal MemorialA81 Dutch
42. Eljanov vs Aronian ½-½342010Tal MemorialD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
43. Gelfand vs Mamedyarov 1-0362010Tal MemorialA15 English
44. H Wang vs Karjakin ½-½562010Tal MemorialA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
45. Kramnik vs Shirov 1-0592010Tal MemorialD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
 page 2 of 2; games 26-45 of 45  PGN Download
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Kibitzer's Corner
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Nov-16-10  Mr. Bojangles: <The romance... Chess is not a romantic game, why the hell do we need "the romance" of the world championship?>

hahahahha

Nov-16-10  SugarDom: <A game as dry as chess has no place for sentiments/romance.>

Then why the heck you bother with it?

Nov-16-10
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  alexmagnus: Because I like dry games?:)
Nov-16-10
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  HeMateMe: <Actually, chess has the best point system of all them. No sport translates as well as chess.> And, it sure worked great when Pomonariev and some other fellows________ were crowned "world champion" 8 or 10 years ago. I'd like to fill in the blank there, but I can't remember who they were. I don't think anyone else remembers either.
Nov-16-10  ycbaywtb: okay , this year's Tal was pretty entertaining, and i'm slowly getting over Naka'a nervous time pressure collapse vs Grischuk (what a shock, when computers had him about +5 at some point/and why pin the pawn when it wasn't likely moving anyway, it's like he was temporarily delusional)

but, my main point is that the standings were fairly close in the end which kept the drama, but sometimes i like to see that runaway horse---performances like Carlsen has winning a tournament with a round to spare and basically telling the opponents catch me if you can on the crosstable

so, that special aura (how do you spell that word) a person creates in chess was missing as all the players had ups and downs, nobody clearly running away with it

didn't mamed lose the final round? another big surprise

oh well chess world today i guess

I wish Magnus would change his mind and compete for the FIDE crown in the matches and all, but i doubt that will transpire

and we can still see him play otherwise

can't wait for the Tal blitz... has it started?

Nov-17-10  jacqueslaumone: <And, it sure worked great when Pomonariev and some other fellows________ were crowned "world champion" 8 or 10 years ago. I'd like to fill in the blank there, but I can't remember who they were. I don't think anyone else remembers either.>

Anand?

Nov-17-10  ycbaywtb: good point, only the classic matches are remembered by the fans, not run of the mill knockouts or tourneys
Nov-21-10  Aware: Rustam Kasimdzhanov had to be one.
Nov-22-10  lorker: There was nothing wrong with Ponomariov winning the World Championship in 2002; Ponomariov has shown from his results after that his victory was no fluke, he is extremely good in knockout tournaments. Also Ponomariov and Anand are currently two of the strongest players in the world, even if the other people who won the knockouts weren't as good. Just like how playing matches and tournaments are different, playing knockouts is different but requires skills too and it isn't quite the lottery most people seem to claim it is.
Nov-22-10  Ladolcevita: Kasimdzhanov just won a personal gold medal in this year's Guangzhou Asian Games,and through the process,he beat such strong players as Liguanlian (Le G?anyway,that guy from Vietnam)and Buxiangzhi.
Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"and it isn't quite the lottery most people seem to claim it is.">

Isnt the fact that a player like him wins it proof enough?

Nov-24-10  jussu: <Ladolcevita> :D
Nov-24-10  visayanbraindoctor: <Isnt the fact that a player like him wins it proof enough?>

I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it. GM Ponomariov is a very strong chess player, but off hand I can give the names of nearly a dozen others who I believe are stronger than him.

It's why the titles that FIDE gave to winners of two-rounder KOs are disputed. People who deserve it more are unlucky and get KO'd. In addition, people who have won the same FIDE tournament format recently are not given the honorary title. For instance, Gelfand has just won a tournament with the exact format as the FIDE KO champions won (the World Cup); so why is he not 'world champion' too? Frankly I think he deserves it more than Pono, especially as he beat Pono himself to win it.

Most chess fans probably cannot even remember all who have won these KO tournaments, much less regard them as real world champions. Nearly every one remembers who beat Karpov, who beat Kasparov, who beat Kramnik, and surely who will beat Anand; and regard them as real world champions without dispute.

Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it."

Thats exactly why its a lottery.

Nov-24-10  visayanbraindoctor: <The Rocket: <"I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it."

Thats exactly why its a lottery.>

Oops, I think I misunderstood you. Turns out we agree. Sorry.

Nov-24-10  khursh: <The Rocket: Thats exactly why its a lottery.>

A short match may also be considered a lottery. That's why Fischer wanted longer matches (<The unlimited match favors the better player.>)

So those who are "risk aversive people" adapt formats to 'what they think is perfect' while "risk takers" don't much care of format.

Chess champion is a tradition, and it "intrigues, hardship, politics, corruption, story, etc" which all the champions [in some way or another] went through.

The day we introduce a clear cut "perfect?" system to find the best player, the chess champion title will lose its shine.

Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"A short match may also be considered a lottery. That's why Fischer wanted longer matches (<The unlimited match favors the better player.>) ">

According to Kramnik(or Anand dont remember who) a match like those in the candidates nowdays is a lottery as well.

Nov-24-10  visayanbraindoctor: <The Rocket: According to Kramnik(or Anand dont remember who) a match like those in the candidates nowdays is a lottery as well.>

The element of luck will definitely be stronger in short matches. I do hope that in the next WC cycle, the Candidates matches would be longer, say 8 to 12 games.

For that matter the World Championship Match should be longer too, something like 14 to 24 games.

Nov-24-10  AnalyzeThis: If they want to properly 'remember' Tal, the right way to do it is have 80 perenct of the games be decisive, not have 80 percent be draws.
Nov-24-10  The Rocket: You want them to pre-arrange the result of the games?
May-11-11  Billy Vaughan: <If they want to properly 'remember' Tal, the right way to do it is have 80 perenct of the games be decisive, not have 80 percent be draws.>

If you want to properly 'remember' Tal, don't forget the second half of his career. He certainly wasn't averse to draws, even short ones: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Nov-29-11  serenpidity.ejd: Who won in this 2010 Tal? Can someone post?
Nov-29-11  wordfunph: <serenpidity>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Me...

Nov-29-11  serenpidity.ejd: The check is in the mail<wordfunph.>
Jun-09-12  dumbgai: "Not a single player in this photo was happy with their play today."

http://chessintranslation.com/wp-co...

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