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May-14-23
 | | beatgiant: <Sally Simpson> No, you are still confused. Korchnoi <would> have been seeded into the 1978 Candidates if Fischer had played. His seeding was completely independent of Fischer. Spassky was Fischer's replacement, but it was not because Spassky was a former champion, it was because Spassky was the next in line from the 1975 cycle. Now got it? |
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| May-14-23 | | Sally Simpson: Hi B.G.
I know Spassky got in from the 1975 match v Karpov (which you call a quarter final but here they call it a semi-final Karpov - Spassky Candidates Semifinal Match) Karpov - Spassky Candidates Semifinal (1974) - never mind. moot point. I know what you meant. It was my mate Eggman who thought Spassky got into the candidates because he was a losing finalist in 1972. The losing finalist of the candidates got a seat in the next candidates. Petrosian got his 1975 seat because he lost to Fischer in the previous candidates final. (I wonder what would have happened if Petrosian never qualified at Biel. A match between him and Spassky?) Which brings me back to my original point of interest. If they offered Fischer a spot in the candidates because there was no losing finalist in 1975 is a valid explanation. I get it. Fischer current World Champion did not lose a final in 1975 and was offered a seat in the next candidates. Carlsen current world champion did not lose a final in 2023 and is not offered a seat in the next candidates. It's just a thought. |
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May-14-23
 | | perfidious: <Geoff>, in effect, Spassky did qualify, but by no means was seeding the loser of a semifinal the traditional method of filling the eight places in the 1970s: Top three from each Interzonal: Manila, (Mecking, Polugaevsky and Hort) Biel: (Larsen, Petrosian and Portisch);
Loser of the previous candidates final (Korchnoi) and
Loser of the previous title match. (???)
According to the Biel page, had Petrosian failed to qualify, he and Spassky would have chosen between themselves who would take Fischer's place. |
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| May-15-23 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Perfidious.
It was all just a BTW remark at the end of a post. Thinking aloud. An olive branch from FIDE. A little bit of wishful thinking. More in hope than expectation. Make an allowance, something like they did when they let Fischer into the 1970 Interzonal. There was a slight bending of the rules to let Fischer in but it's what everyone wanted. Spassky and Petrosian being allowed to choose amongst themselves who plays is a polite way of saying the USSR state would have told them who to choose. Whilst looking for something else relating to all of this I was reading about Portisch - Larsen Candidates Quarterfinal (1977) and the hurdy gurdy man being given money to go away. A bad move. One hour later he was back hurdy gurdying even louder for more money. It's a wonder word on the street about a soft touch did not get around and a busker playing the bagpipes suddenly appearing. |
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May-15-23
 | | offramp: <Sally Simpson> <So it's looking like Spassky, who finished 9th = in the 1976 Manila Interzonal, was allowed into the candidates because he lost the 1975 cycle candidates semi-final to Karpov.> Spassky did not tried hard in the Manila IZ because he knew he was guaranteed a place in the Candidates': Spassky took Fischer's place. |
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May-15-23
| | offramp: It is 11:00am and the last round should start in a hour. Some players have attacked by a malaise in the last round. They have to left early to catch the last set of landing wheels in a 747. Olde Offramp looks out on a troubled chess world. What will be the last round results?
In last round Olde Offramp correctly named every result beforehand! Firouzja v MVL. Normally, this would be the most interesting game, inventive players. They are both French, so they might decided to split the point. <DRAW>. SO v Duda. <Wesley <"Jump-the-Shark"> So> will not win. I'd hope that Duda will trounce So, but SO is very hard to beat. <DRAW>. Giri v Nepo. Giri has a great chance to beat Nepo and therefore win the tournament outright! He really could do it. I like Giri but in the last <10> count them years he has not really delivered. <GIRI TO WIN>, but Giri is now another <Yesterday Man>. Rapport v Caruana. This will be a <DRAW>. And PDQ. Deac v Ding. Deac has done well. He is the local talent. I have a feeling that Deac will take the opportunity to shake the hand that shook the world. <DEAC WINS!! DEAC WINS!! DEAC WINS!!> |
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| May-15-23 | | Atterdag: Back to the present where the last round commences in about an hour. So far it has been a great tournament with a very strong section of today's elite. For me a game to remember is Giri-Ding Liren, where the champ provoked Giri with 10.-g5 - a challenge Giri accepted and that gave us a very spectacular, wild game, a "Handgemenge" we not usually attach to those two players. A great advertisement for chess! Now I am excited to see whether Caruana goes for a victory with black against Rapport - in order to nail a solo tournament win - or he will be content with a draw risking a shared first place. |
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May-15-23
| | offramp: Go on Deac! Give Ding a shock! |
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May-15-23
| | offramp: Nepo is playing a Egog. |
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May-15-23
 | | MissScarlett: No games drawn yet? Disappointing. Expecting better of Wesley. |
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| May-15-23 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Offramp.
<Spassky took Fischer's place.> Agreed. And it was because Fischer beat Spassky in 1972. That stands to reason. if Fischer had not beaten Spassky in 1972 then Spassky would not have been in the 1975 candidates and because Spassky did not make the final in that event he was given Fischer place in the 1978 candidates. Makes sense to me although when I get around to doing my 'History of Chess' all I need is a free weekend. I think I'll skip the 70's. Hi Atterdag,
Yes. Giri vs Ding Liren, 2023 some wonderful chess in there. It's a sac I would make at the drop of a hat. Won some, lost some. (the 'it might work' method.) Ding, perhaps fearing the worse, took 10 minutes to play 10...g5. Giri took 4 minutes to play 11.Nxg5 and it was game on. A nice example of the attacking and defensive ideas in this type of sac (Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 pinning the f6 Knight to the Queen) Black too has gone for this (g4 Nxg4 etc) a number of times and it can easily be underestimated. Witness Capablanca vs A H Bierwirth, 1910 in that game Black either plays the Nxg4 sac or drops the e-pawn with no comp. It was a no brainer. |
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May-15-23
| | offramp: All 5 games are still being played. I think there are going to be some blunders. |
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May-15-23
| | offramp: Bogdan-Daniel Deac is losing - to Ding. That helps Ding a lot. |
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| May-15-23 | | Atterdag: After Giri messed up some moves from an equal position, Nepo suddenly had a won position - which he messed up. Now a draw is likely although Nepo probably still wants to torture Giri for a while. And the world champion battled for a point of consolation, which he got! Anyway, huge congrats to Fabiano Caruana. He played a strong tournament with victories over such fine players as Nepomniachtchi and Vachier-Lagrave. |
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| May-15-23 | | Atterdag: Giri-Nepo drawn, meaning the WC players became 9 and 10. Next stop Poland. Ding Liren has asked to be excused for this that tournament. Very understandable. Both he and Nepo should take care of themselves and get a couple of weeks' rest. |
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May-15-23
| | MissScarlett: 8th and 9th. |
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| May-15-23 | | fabelhaft: Caruana added to his long list of tournament victories, at least 20 quite strong tournaments won this far: Bucharest 2023
Tata 2020 (+7)
Sinquefield 2018
Norway 2018
Grenke 2018
Candidates 2018
London 2017
Two US Championships 2016 and 2022
Dortmund 2015
Three FIDE GP tournaments 2013-15
Sinquefield Cup 2014 (+7)
Dortmund 2014
Bucharest 2013
Zurich 2013
Dortmund 2012
Sigeman 2012
Biel 2010 |
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| May-15-23 | | Atterdag: <MissScarlett: 8th and 9th.> Correct. I went too far! :-) |
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| May-15-23 | | Atterdag: I have not seen a comparative record list, but your line-up of Caruana victories <fh> makes me think if anyone except Carlsen could trumph his results? During Carlsen's champion years on a whole, Caruana has to be considered as the overall second best, right? |
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| May-15-23 | | fabelhaft: <During Carlsen's champion years on a whole, Caruana has to be considered as the overall second best, right?> Yes, he has not only won many events and been #2 for a long time, but also scored results like that +7 over 10 rounds in Sinquefield Cup 2014. He played well in the 2018 match too. Aronian probably has similar career achievements on the whole, but then he is ten years older, and he never did well in World Championship cycles. |
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May-15-23
| | perfidious: While not proposing to bore our readers with even a precis of Carlsen's tournament record, I should like to mention that, given that of Caruana as well, these titans leave mere crumbs for other elite players in terms of high-level tournament victories. While I would certainly agree with the proposition that neither Ding nor Nepo is the strongest player in the world, I disagree with those who say 'they aren't really all that'. |
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| May-15-23 | | Sally Simpson: Here is more detailed list of Caruana's tournaments since 2003. http://www.chessfocus.com/tournamen... This event has not been added yet.
Hi Perfidious.
This weekend I will taking a trip on the world's first' driverless bus. It will travel about 14 miles at a top speed of 50 MPH. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne... I'll be looking for a USB port to plug in a portable chess computer and play chess v a computer on a bus driven by a computer. |
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May-16-23
| | offramp: The sentence is "the bus carries 10,000 people a week, at about 14mph at a maximum at 50mph." This has been misreported as: "The bus carries 50 people in a straight line of 14 miles with a top speed of 10,000mph." |
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May-16-23
 | | HeMateMe: Sounds like a Magic Bus, to me... |
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May-22-23
| | HeMateMe: +2 won the event. |
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