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Mar-08-10 | | whiteshark: <33. Qxe8+!> Of all the fouled-up, half-witted operations! |
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Mar-08-10 | | zanshin: Not too difficult - of course, it's Monday! And finally a puzzle where Eugene won ;-) |
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Mar-08-10 | | randomsac: Even though today's puzzle doesn't actually win any material, white is already a pawn up and blacks pawns will all be isolated, a fairly easy endgame. |
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Mar-08-10 | | johnlspouge: Monday (Very Easy)
E Torre vs R Meulders, 1987 (33.?) White to play and win.
Material: Up a P. The Black Ke7 has 3 legal moves. White has a standard N fork combination to finish the game. Candidates (33.): Qxe8+
33.Qxe8+ Kxe8 [Kf6 34.Qf8+ K any 35.Qxf5 is hopeless] 34.Ng7+ K any 35.Nxf5 gxf5
The extra P results in a winning endgame. The White K advances to f4, then White plays h4 (and h5+, if permitted). |
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Mar-08-10
 | | chrisowen: Like in three Meulders will get out-foxed. You genie, oh skull he seeks is.. 33.Qxe8+ marks the spot.. Kxe7 Ng7+ if the numbers add up it
was a winning pawn endgame. Torre sees on two files capture the lady then push pawns. |
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Mar-08-10 | | johnlspouge: I have been in email contact with <dzechiel>. He had a retinal tear. Here are some excerpts from the email, with his permission: "I underwent a cryopexy on 2/23. My retinal specialist says it's healing, but he want's to do a laserpexy on Monday morning [today]. I haven't lost vision, but the left eye is cloudy from where blood leaked in. [snip] I trust it will all get better in time." "We are having a blitz tournament at my house this evening, but I'm still not sure if I will play. My doctor told me not to read for more than an hour at a time (I think to keep the eye from jumping around) and to try and lay off the computer (for the same reason). [snip] just cutting back on my reading is driving me nuts." [snip]
"I hope to be back at chessgames.com sometime this week, but only after my doctor gives me the all clear." |
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Mar-08-10 | | wordfunph: easy indeed...33.Qxe8+! Kxe8 34.Ng7+ 1-0 for Asia's First GM Eugenio Torre.. |
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Mar-08-10 | | eaglewing: With the pawn endgame one pawn down clearly lost, the question arises, was the loss of the pawn in move 28 necessary. Instead of 27. Ne6 Qc8 Black could have taken with 27. Ne6 Nxe6 and depending on the kind of short to follow additional exchanges, how are the resulting endgames (Pawn, or Rook or Queen) to judge? They start at least with the same number of pawns, but a dangerous white pawn at e6. Examples:
Rooks
A) 27. Ne6 Nxe6 28. de Qa8 29. Qd5 Qxd5 30. cd Kf8 (Variant 29. Qf3, maybe an endgame with Q+R) Pawns
B) 27. Ne6 Nxe6 28. Rxe6 Rxe6
(or really Rb7 Qe2 Rb8 Re7 Kh8?
Could it be holdable?) 29. de Qa8 30. Qf3 Qxf3, not good for Black,
the white king will defend e6 and the Zugzwang-maneuvering, thanks to a2, gives White the edge. On the other hand, could the Queen-exchange be arranged farther away, f2 for example, the pawn e6 would just fall and Black would be fine. Queens
C) 27. Ne6 Nxe6 28. Rxe6 Rxe6 29. de
c1) Qf5 30. Qxd6 Qc2+
Is this a draw due to perpetual or the threat of queen exchange far away enough (see remark under B) to conquer pawn e6? c2) Qb8 30. Qf3 Qb2+ 31. Kh3 Qg7 looking for Qh6+. Compared to c1) it looks like checking is more difficult, but Black still has pawn d6. Others? Did I overlook an important continuation following 27. Ne6 Nxe6
and what is your judgement about it? |
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Mar-08-10 | | Patriot: 33.Qxe8+ Kxe8 34.Ng7+ and 35.Nxf5 gxf5 is easy to see. 33.Qxa6?? allows black to draw (or win in some lines). White is left a clear pawn advantage and black's f and h pawns are isolated and weak. The general plan is to bring the white king to f4 and zugzwang black by running him out of pawn moves and force him to either leave the defense of f5 completely, or move the king further away from the center so that white's king can go to d4 where it can support a c4-c5 push. If black chooses a different approach of counterattacking, 33.Qxe8+ Kxe8 34.Ng7+ Kd7 35.Nxf5 gxf5 36.Kf3 Kc7 37.Kf4 Kb6 38.Kxf5 Kc5 39.Ke6, white has his choice of how he wants to win: a) zugzwang by running black out of pawn moves or b) use the kingside pawn majority to create a passer. |
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Mar-08-10 | | remolino: Oh, we are back to the Monday queen sacs followed by knight forks. As if there were not another easy tactic in the book. I am going to get cofee now. |
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Mar-08-10 | | Patriot: <johnlspouge> Thanks for passing along the info. I wish <dzechiel> the best and look forward to his return. |
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Mar-08-10 | | benjinathan: To me the real question here is do you know this position is a win:?  click for larger view You should only do the combo if you know it is a win or if you are going to be worse if you don't do the combo. I wouldn't know that it is a win. My first try as white was a black:-( |
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Mar-08-10 | | benjinathan: win. ;( |
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Mar-08-10 | | msmith5: The sac and fork trick Qxe8+ Kxe8 Ng7+ followed by Nxf5 simplifies down to an endgame that white should win being a pawn up. |
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Mar-08-10 | | kevin86: Interesting,white gives up queen for horse-then regains queen with own knight. Luck,he was not in midstream. The extra pawn will win. |
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Mar-08-10
 | | scormus: <johnlspouge> thanks for the news from dzechiel. He's a great contributor and it will be great to have him back when he's OK again. We could have done with his help yesterday! |
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Mar-08-10 | | DarthStapler: Got it easily |
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Mar-08-10 | | YouRang: I got the first moves right away, which simplify to a king and pawns game where white is clearly better (which is not to say clearly winning). I spent some time satisfying myself that white could indeed win by pushing the c-pawn. I could have spared myself that trouble if I had known that black would resign on the spot. :-\ |
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Mar-08-10 | | vanytchouck: < benjinathan: To me the real question here is do you know this position is a win:? > What you have to known because it's a kind of easy to see is that white will surely gain <the opposition>. Why? because white have 2 pawns which are on the 2th rank wich means white can use a 1 or a 2-move with one of them to lose a tempo. If black pushes his pawns to avoid this, he will set a position where the black king won't be able to enter in the white camp while the white has the break through c5. The second thing is that black has no passer as a distraction while it's easy for the white to go to d4 and play c5. The least and not the last is that is easy to count 8 moves for the black to queen their "f-pawn" if the king is at g5 (and if the white pawns are at h2 and g3) and it takes 5 move for black to queen the "d-pawn" if the king is in d4. However after white takes the opposition thanks to their a pawn, black will be forced the go back at g6 and then the white king will go to e3 and will be in d4 when the black king will be in f6. I mean, i wouldn't be sure at 100 % that i'm winning (let's say 95 %) but in the position of the puzzle, i would without any doubt play Qxe8 + in 100% of the case. |
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Mar-08-10 | | Veroth: I was with Benjinathan - could not see the advantage (missed that the white king could get to the c-pawn first), so was content with Qxa6. |
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Mar-08-10 | | brainzugzwang: <benjinathan: To me the real question here is do you know this position is a win:?> Well, that was my thought when I first looked at the puzzle and the end result of the combination. At least, I didn't think it was an obvious a win as one usually finds at the end of a Monday puzzle. But, with a little visualization and calculation from there ... I'm no endgame player, but I could see the White K marches to f4 from the given position, and Black is just about stretched to the limit at that point. White's biggest threat is getting rid of/trading the Black d-pawn and queening whichever pawn remains, but the Black K also has to defend against White gobbling up the Black K-side pawns and pushing his own. Once White eats/trades the Black f-pawn -- the only real candidate to become a passed pawn -- the White K can comfortably get to d4, play c5 dxc5; Kxc5, then play Kc6, d6 and Kc7, and the Black K can't get back to the center fast enough to challenge, nor can Black get to White's h-pawn, get out of the way and push his own h-pawn fast enough. And Black can't go defend against the c- and d-pawns first, because he has to go a long way around to the Q-side to get to c5, while the White K simply eats the f-pawn, goes to e6 and shepherds the g-pawn home (or grabs the d6 pawn and Black plays Kxc4). At least, that's how I figured it. Correct me if I'm off, but it looked simple to me. |
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Mar-08-10 | | Autoreparaturwerkbau: <johnlspouge> I'm glad you passed the info about <dzechiel>. I really miss his everyday contributions and hope he gets well in shortest time. |
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Mar-08-10 | | Bobsterman3000: Any time the knight is in 1-move range of your king, your Jedi sense of danger should heighten concerning possible forks and 1-move trickery. It's one of the simplest things that you can remember, even players as weak as me... |
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Mar-08-10 | | ECaruthers: Sometimes the extra pawn doesn't win but here black will also have an isolated pawn at f5. White shouldn't trade it but should push his king up to d4, make a passer at d5, then go after f5 when the black king has had to retreat to the 2nd rank. |
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Mar-08-10 | | wals: How it may have played out -
courtesy of Rybka 3 1-cpu:
33. Qxe8+
Kxe8 34. Ng7+ Kf7 35. Nxf5 gxf5 36. Kf2 Kf6 37. a4 Kf7 38. Ke3 Ke7 39. Kd4 Kd7
40. a5 Kd8 41. c5 dxc5+ 42. Kxc5 Kc8 43. Kd6 f4 44. gxf4 h6 45. Ke6 Kc7 46. f5
Kc8 47. f6 Kc7 48. f7 h5 49. f8=Q 1-0 |
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