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Magnus Carlsen vs Pentala Harikrishna
Norway Chess (2016), Stavanger NOR, rd 1, Apr-19
Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Nimzowitsch Variation (E15)  ·  1-0

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Apr-19-16
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  OhioChessFan: OhioChessFan Rule of Chess 3.14159:

If you have to play a Knight into a corner, you might as well resign.

Apr-19-16  Eduardo Leon: <OhioChessFan> W So vs A Giri, 2016
Apr-19-16  whiteshark: Whiteshark's exceptional rule: There's at least one: Nimzowitsch vs Rubinstein, 1926
Apr-19-16
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  keypusher: <Whiteshark> But Nimzowitsch didn't <have> to.
Apr-19-16  whiteshark: <keypusher> Nor did Pentala has to do it ... *

[Peace]

* at this point he's been lost already, anyways

Apr-19-16  Calar: <luftforlife: I'm an inexpert player, so the answer to this question may be obvious or elementary, but does the stationing of White's LSB in the salient at g2 support or play into any specific tactical lines?>

Tactically, no (apart from pin of Nc6, which is not really that much of a threat). Positionally - yes. Notice how, for example, after move 13 White is already pressuring weak backwards d7 pawn. This pawn will be a parmenent weakness in Black's position - and the only way to get rid of is to play d5 (which is what Black did). But after d5 is played, Bg2 immediately start to shine - it has Pd5 on the line of fire and it could very easily target Nc6 or Ra8 is the pawn moves. Carlsen further isolates the pawn by playing 15.Bxc5, transforming poor Pd5 into an isolated pawn - an even easier target.

Next, after Black's 13...d5 (which is what he had to play if he wanted to avoid White's hold over d-file and pressure on weak Pd7) and 14.cxd5, it's obvious that c-file could be pretty important - it's the file over which White can pressure (or even infiltrate) and Black can defend. In such situation, move Bh3 can come in incredibly handy - as it forces Black Rc8 to either move away from c-file or exchanges with White's Rc1 (effectively surrendering c-file to the White).

Apr-19-16  morfishine: Who cares about instructive games when what was "instructed" is soon lost amidst vodka martini's, lack of real interest, and general dementia?

*****

Apr-19-16  avenant69: White had an even earlier kill, after 34...a4
with:
35. Qxd8+ Rxd8
36. Re8+ RxR
37. RxR+ Qf8
38. Bh7+ Kxh7
39. Rxf8
Apr-19-16  rodrigoporto: White had an even earlier kill, after 34...a4
with:
35. Qxd8+ Rxd8
36. Re8+ RxR
37. RxR+ Qf8
38. Bh7+ Kxh7
39. Rxf8

It do not work.

35. Qxd8+ Rxd8
36. Re8+ Qf8

Apr-20-16  Chessinfinite: Harikrishna played well till he started to make risky moves, and the sac for 2 pawns was bit too much, which let Carlsen get control and convert the game.
Apr-20-16
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  PawnSac: < As someone already pointed out, at move 41 Magnus had 41.Re8+ Rxe8 42.Rxe8+ Rf8 43.Bh7#. >

< agb2002: Can't believe Carlsen missed 38.Nd7+ Qxd7 39.Qc5+. >

Yes it may be true there were faster wins, BUT.. in all fairness to Magnus, when we are playing rapid or blitz games, or even classical with time running low, when we see a winning line, we play it! Even if it is not the fastest winning line, it is the one WE SEE, and probably see FIRST, and if it wins, we play it! But even if there is a faster win, the bottom line is, the one we see IS STILL WINNING!

why under time pressure should we consume precious minutes or seconds scrutinizing for a faster win (and there may not be one) when we can play NOW and win!

Apr-20-16  Pulo y Gata: Domination.
Apr-20-16  Ulhumbrus: 7...Bxd2 concedes the bishop pair.

9 dxc5 exchanges the central d pawn for the less valuable b6 pawn

On 10...Qb6 White will pin the c pawn by Be3 and then turn the c5 pawn into a target eg by b4. One alternative is 10...Bb7

Instead of 12...Rfc8, 12...Rac8 removes the rook from the long diagonal and prepares the move ..Nd4 obstructing White's QB

After 14...exd5 White's bishop pair makes the hanging pawns less of a weapon and more of a target

20 Qe3?! may give Black a chance to escape. Instead of 20....Qb7, 20...Qxe3 21 fxe3 Nd8! prepares to obstruct White's bishop on h3 by ...Ne6 and now the move 20 Qe3 begins to look like an error.

After 33..Nh8 Carlsen plays the final attack in an unhurried way that brings Lasker to mind. He follows the plan of Bd7-f5, Nf3-e5, Qc7-c2, Bf5-h7+, and then after ..Kf8, Qc2-f5, Bg6 and Nxf7 with Bxf7 in reply to ...Rxf7 whereupon Black resigns.

Apr-20-16
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Pawnsac,

On the other hand if you are very short on time and winning as was the case here then checks are a good way to eat up the moves (you look at them first.) also a no harm done quick flick of the wrist trap.


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Like 38.Qc5 (and if you see that then you see 38.Nd7+)

Just surprised (though not flabbergasted) that Carlsen missed 38.Nd7+ it looks like that is what he was playing for with 37.Bh7+.

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Hi Ulhumbrus,

Notes and ideas are good but much better with an accompanying diagram. (the feature is here. click on b8 and copy the fen.)

This bit with a diagram added: (White has just played 20.Qe3)


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"20 Qe3?! may give Black a chance to escape. Instead of 20....Qb7, 20...Qxe3 21 fxe3 Nd8! prepares to obstruct White's bishop on h3 by ...Ne6 and now the move 20 Qe3 begins to look like an error."

Reads so much better and the note will get read. With no diagram you are expecting the reader to scroll up to the diagram, remember it, then scroll down to read your note.

Most of them here cannot even remember what thread they are on (guilty) so you can forget about them storing a position in their head.

I am beginning to suspect you are not at all familiar with Navy Tactics. (I rarely think about anything else.)

The WWII convoys crossing the Atlantic from America. The speed of the convoy was always the speed of the slowest ship.

You must always write with your weakest reader in mind.

Hmmm.......this bit.

"Carlsen plays the final attack in an unhurried way that brings Lasker to mind."

I cannot recall Lasker missing any shots like 38.Nd7+ though no doubt someone will find one.

'unhurried' Apparently Carlsen was in sever TT that is why 38.Nd7+ was missed.

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Hi Ohio,

"If you have to play a Knight into a corner, you might as well resign."

There is always an exception in chess.

V. Milfort vs. C.Vladimir, Czech Open 2008.


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It ended 32...Nh8 Mate.

Apr-20-16  diceman: <Sally Simpson:

Hi Ohio,

"If you have to play a Knight into a corner, you might as well resign."

There is always an exception in chess.>

I think it also happened in Korchnoi vs. Fischer Blitz 1970.

Apr-20-16  thegoodanarchist: <OhioChessFan: OhioChessFan Rule of Chess 3.14159:

If you have to play a Knight into a corner, you might as well resign.>

That rule is as humbling as a pi to the face.

Apr-20-16
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Apr-20-16  Shams: <morfishine> <Who cares about instructive games when what was "instructed" is soon lost amidst vodka martini's, lack of real interest, and general dementia?>

Since I'm the only one who has used the word "instructive" on this thread this charming comment must be meant to apply to me. I'll cop to the dementia but my interest in chess is quite real and martinis are gross, so you're only on 1.0/3. Sorry about that.

Apr-20-16
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  HeMateMe: <If you have to play a Knight into a corner, you might as well resign.>

Being forced to play N-h8 cost me my only loss in the state tournament, when I was a high school junior.

Apr-20-16  morfishine: Sorry <Shams> no offense, you are a good person

FWIW: A properly mixed martini, with top shelf liquor, is actually pleasing to the palate...as a starter, use Vodka, not gin

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Apr-20-16  Shams: <morfishine> Meh, you owe me a couple punches probably. I came around on the bloody mary years ago but there's only so far I can push my rubish palate; martinis are too much.
Apr-20-16
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  Richard Taylor: 8...cxd4 is better. Qa4 by Carlsen is annoying but not necessarily very good. The lines that leave a pawn on c5 are not so good and Black comes under pressure. So good preparation of this line by Carlsen. Quite a nice attack also.
Apr-20-16  luftforlife: <Calar>: I just came back and read your thoughtful and instructive comments. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I'm grateful for your consideration, and for your answer to my question.

Your fulsome explanation is illuminating -- specifically with regard to Black's need to play . . . d5, and, more broadly, as an insightful and wholesome reminder of the abiding need to exploit backwards pawns if they be one's opponent's, and to mitigate their ill-effects if they be one's own. I had apprehended the value of controlling the a8-h1 diagonal, with . . . Nc6 or . . . Ra8 as potential targets, and I had anticipated 21. Bh3 as an exertion of direct pressure on . . . Rc8, backed by Rc1, but your thematic précis on the infiltrative susceptibility of c-file is fecund and lucid, and brings rigor and order to some amorphous and nebulous impressions that had begun to form for me during the Candidates Tournament. Viewing Bg2 through the lens of c-file infiltration-and-defense is a real eye-opener for me, and helps me to see much more clearly the implications of its placement and stationing in the salient long before its eventual and well-nigh inevitable deployment.

Thanks again for your sagacious and perspicacious analysis, which has helped me to think positionally and structurally as well as tactically. You are a good teacher, and I thank you for the lesson. Kind regards.

Apr-22-16
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  PawnSac: < Sally Simpson: Hi Pawnsac, >

greetings!

< Just surprised ..Carlsen missed 38.Nd7+ it looks like that is what he was playing for with 37.Bh7+. >

oh yes i agree! He missed it all right. I'm just sayin its easy to be critical when you're not at the board. And when there are 500 of us watching the game, we're bound to find goofs. but I mean after all he did win the game. lol

Apr-24-16  xanadu: "


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" How to decide on the board if Black must play QxQ or not here? I guess that the Black´s Queen helps to defend penetration of White into the 7th rank. Speaking in general terms, if you have a strategic weakness, like the isolated d-pawn and the lack of a SLB here, then keep large pieces on the board to have more chances for tactical complications that may helps to solve your strategical problems!

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