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| Nov-30-21 | | Whitehat1963: Another bloodless draw. Carlsen will probably be content to reach the rapid tiebreaks without a single decisive result. I don’t see Nepo beating him with faster time controls. But that’s a risky strategy if that’s what he intends. I doubt Carlsen is trying to do that, but he wouldn’t be disappointed if it reaches that point. A win is a win. |
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Nov-30-21
 | | HeMateMe: What do the 'bots say about the final position? |
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| Nov-30-21 | | Ulhumbrus: One justification for 10 Nc3 instead of 10 Qb3 is that if White is going to have to play the move Nc3 it will be more flexible to do so at once, keeping the option of Qb3. On 10 Nc3 Nxc3 11 bxc3 may be one of the main lines. Another alternative is 10 Nbd2 with the idea of 10...Nxd2 11 Bxf5 Nxf3+ 12 Qxf3 12...dxc4 13 a4 with the bishop pair and some advantage in development for the pawn. If 15 Qb5 is insufficient one alternative is 15 Ba3 so as to gain access to the squares e5 and e7 One justification for 18 Nh4 is that Black has a number of ways to go wrong. However if Black does not go wrong White may have to seek an alternative. The plan begun by 18 Nh4 suggests that once again Carlsen played something unexpected but Nepomniachtchi rose to the occasion and got himself out of the minefield. |
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| Nov-30-21 | | Albertan: ´´Nepo holds Carlsen with Petroff in Game 4 of the FIDE World Championship’´: https://www.chess.com/news/view/fid... GM Sam Shankland provides his analysis of this game at the link above. |
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Nov-30-21
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi HeMateMe.
<What do the 'bots say about the final position?> Never mind the bots. I give it a good wallop and it's carbon based analysis, not silicon. https://www.redhotpawn.com/chess-bl... There are loads of things happening in the final position. Carlsen could not go into it given Nepo a 40 Minute start.
I found two plausible back to back mates, one for Black, and one for White in there. |
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| Nov-30-21 | | Albertan: Thé vidéo of the press conference after game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cii...
Video analysis of Game 4 by GM Alejandro Ramirez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLK... |
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Nov-30-21
 | | Diademas: <<Sally Simpson> I found two plausible back to back mates, one for Black, and one for White in there.> I found two plausible back to back draws, one for Black, and one for White |
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Nov-30-21
 | | moronovich: Anna and Anand (almost a back to back palindrome> found several draws.Almost like the game ended 7-7.Or 7-7. |
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| Nov-30-21 | | Albertan: World Championship Game 4:Hésitant Birthday boy: https://en.chessbase.com/post/world... |
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| Nov-30-21 | | metatron2: Quite disappointing that Magnus did not go for the dynamic 5. Nc3 variation here, that could have lead to opposite side castling, or at the very least, keep an imbalanced position with most pieces on board, after they got out of the opening. With 5. d4 on the other hand, they already got to an endgame by move 16. Indeed this endgame had some imbalances that seemed interesting, but in the end of the day, it was to be expected, that black had enough counter play with his passed a-pawn and his active rooks, and Magnus had enough activity to take the draw against black's activity, but nothing more than that. So not too ambitious attempt to win here on Magnus part. It is to be noted though, that Nepo is playing very well so far in the match. He manages to find the best plans and most accurate moves when Magnus surprises him with new/rare opening moves. |
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Nov-30-21
| | HeMateMe: He who holds the crown always controls the next million dollar match. The champ will always play conservatively. Nepo may not be talanted enough to find a hole in MCs positions. He'll have to take some risk, unbalance a position. More likely nepo will play quietly until rapid tiebreaks, praying for a mistake then. |
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| Nov-30-21 | | optimal play: Some possible alternatives at the end but a bit too risky for the World Championship. I get why Carlsen went for the three-fold repetition. Still ten games to go but already it's starting to look like they might be going to rapids. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | boz: They're going to have to start calling the classical portion "the preliminaries". |
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| Dec-01-21 | | sicilianchameleon: I don't blame Nepo for going Petrov, playing for draws as black is the best strategy, and then to wait for a miniscule opening edge as White next game. Anything bolder would be suicidal at these time controls. So far I think he's doing fantastic. |
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Dec-01-21
 | | profK: I thought 27 Ra4 followed by d5 and Rf4 had merit as the pawn of d5 untouchable....27Ra4 also kills the march of the a5 pawn. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | sicilianchameleon: Not to mention there was a 30+move opening line that Magnus remembered (and Ian was aware of) which caused him to not make a couple of very attractive middlegame maneuvers that would have led directly into a disadvantage after a massive tradeoff 15 moves down the line. I can't imagine the knife's edge one has walk playing the black side in any situation here. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | weisyschwarz: <Whitehat: Carlsen will probably be content to reach the rapid tiebreaks without a single decisive result.>
Nah! Nepo is not Fabi. Nepo can fight in that arena. MC has to do it in this segment. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | thebully99: Note that thus far Carlsen hasn't done any of his trademark endgame grinding style yet. By move 30 the positions have already been equalized and there is little activity left. Either Nepo has neutralized so that there's not enough material to prevent Carlsen from playing any complications even in equal endgames. Or. Carlsen is deliberately saving his energy to play very long games later in the match, expecting Nepo's stamina to drop because that's usually what happens. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | gary11201: Ten more draws will not be good for the game's popularity. Surely Carlsen knows that, and cares about that, and understands that such a result will not be best for the empire that he is building. I don't know enough about Nepo even to speculate about what he might think another ten draws would do for the game. |
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Dec-01-21
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Diademus,
Yes, there are quite a few back to back draws in there. The cool position I reached was from here.
click for larger viewAfter the plausible moves 34. Ra2 Rb3 35. d6 Ne6 36. h4 Rb2 37. Rxa3 Rxa3 38. Re8 we get too here. Black to play - White is threatening Rg8 mate.
click for larger view38...Rb1+
If 39.Kg2 then 39...Nf4+ and mate with 40...Rh3. 39. Kh2 Nf8 to stop the mate. I then continued.
40. d7 Rd3 41. d8=Q Rxd8 42. Rxd8 Rxb5 and stopped here as it was an ending. 'plausible moves' is how I do my analysis. Sometimes my Fritz 6 agrees, most times it just switches itself off and refuses to go any further. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | VerySeriousExpert: The earliest possibility for White to get an advantage was 3.Nc3! Here I recommend the main article on 3.Nc3! Nc6 4.Bc4! Nxe4 5.Nxe4! d5 6.Bd3! dxe4 7.Bxe4! Bd6 8.Bxc6+! etc. by Yury V. Bukayev ( https://chessproblem.my-free-games.... )! Thus, White gets the advantage after 7...Bd6 8.Bxc6+!, and 7...Ne7 8.c3!, and 7...Nb4 8.a3!, and after other responses (you can find them in this article too). ChessCafe linked it in 2012 (see Abby Marshall's article "The Two Knights Defense, Center Fork Trick": "Pertinent responses"). |
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Dec-01-21
 | | keypusher: < VerySeriousExpert: The earliest possibility for White to get an advantage was 3.Nc3! Here I recommend the main article on 3.Nc3! Nc6 4.Bc4! Nxe4 5.Nxe4! d5 6.Bd3! dxe4 7.Bxe4! Bd6 8.Bxc6+! etc. by Yury V. Bukayev ( https://chessproblem.my-free-games.... )! Thus, White gets the advantage after 7...Bd6 8.Bxc6+!, and 7...Ne7 8.c3!, and 7...Nb4 8.a3!, and after other responses (you can find them in this article too). ChessCafe linked it in 2012 (see Abby Marshall's article "The Two Knights Defense, Center Fork Trick": "Pertinent responses").> This is false. The line after 8.Bxc6+ is not good for White. Petrov Defense (C42) Get an engine. They're free. |
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| Dec-01-21 | | Albertan: GM Analysis of this game by GM Luke McShane is at: https://en.chessbase.com/post/world... |
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| Dec-01-21 | | Albertan: An unexpected Petroff leaves Carlsen frustrated: https://kasparovchess.com/articles/... |
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| Dec-05-21 | | The Kings Domain: Nice to see the Petroff in a WC. Good to see the challenger spicing things up. |
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