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Jan-20-22
 | | jnpope: <zanzibar: I have a question about Ajeeb's demise, i.e. date of death. It's given as 1936 here on <CG>, but from what source?> It really depends upon which make/model of Ajeeb you are talking about. I've documented eight distinct versions (actually seven built under the name Ajeeb with another automaton being renamed to Ajeeb). Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray%2... I suspect the version that is dated as "dying" in 1936 is based upon the last date mentioned in John Kobler's article published in the <New Yorker>, v19 n4, 20 November 1943, pp30-38, however, that version was still being exhibited as late as February 1941 (that's the last report I have found). <BTW- Wiki gives Ajeeb's demise as a 1929 Cooney Island fire.> Actually the fire occurred in 1928 and was mentioned in the <Brooklyn Daily Times>, Extra Edition, 1928.03.10, p1, and the <Brooklyn Daily Times>, 1928.03.13, Section 3, p8. The fire destroyed all the original wax works and I think someone just assumed Ajeeb was destroyed in that fire, however Ajeeb wasn't part of the lots auctioned off in 1915 as it was privately owned. When the Manhattan Eden Musee closed Ajeeb was removed by the owner. So both dates would be wrong, but as neither date relates to the Hooper original, built in 1868, it really doesn't matter now does it? :-P |
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| Jan-20-22 | | Z truth 000000001: <jn> <SBC> is still active as <batgirl> over on chess.com. She no longer posts articles, but does have her forum open, and responds to comments: https://www.chess.com/member/batgirl
(Scroll to bottom for links to posts, etc) |
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Jan-21-22
 | | jnpope: Ok, I'm in over there, but I don't see a batgirl forum... I guess you are talking about posting a comment to one of her articles? |
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| Jan-21-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Let's try this:
Scroll to bottom for links under the Activity section. (I'm not sure how often she goes back to her articles - I recommend the most recent post for your initial query) |
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Jan-21-22
 | | jnpope: I sent her a chess.com mail message. I'll see if she responds to that before I start posting in her non-chess related forum topics. |
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| Jan-21-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Give us an update if you think on it.
Oh, and could you please ask her how to contact <Leo Hovestadt> of Carolus Chess? https://sites.google.com/site/carol...
He hasn't posted there in a number of years, and I'd still like to get some of his interzonal pgn downloads (which now have broken links). . |
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Dec-11-22
 | | jnpope: Back to working on <Ajeeb and His Contemporaries>, so far the automatons covered in this work are:
Ajeeb (1868 Hooper)
Ajeeb (1877 Schultz)
Ajeeb (1885 Hooper)
Ajeeb (1887 Shaffner)
Ajeeb (1888 Martins)
Ajeeb (1888 Clark)
Ajeeb (1898 Haderer-Smith)
Ajeeb (1934 Frain)
Akimo
Ali/Ajeeb (1893 Herrmann)
Cadi
Ching Chang
Hassen Pasha
Kado
Mephisto
And I'm working on adding "Mazam" to the ranks.
Are there any additional noteworthy automatons that should be considered for inclusion? |
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Dec-14-22
 | | jnpope: Can anyone dig up any information about an Ajeeb appearing at the Great Industrial Fair and Agricultural Exposition in Toronto, Canada, from September 10th to 22nd, 1888? I have searched through the only Toronto newspaper available to me, i.e. <Toronto Daily Mail>, and I see the advertisements promoting the appearance of Ajeeb throughout the Expo, but I would love to have more information on this appearance. |
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| Dec-14-22 | | stone free or die: Where's <jiffy> when ya need him?! |
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Dec-14-22
 | | OhioChessFan: <jnp: Are there any additional noteworthy automatons that should be considered for inclusion?> I guess it's really an early chess computer, but El Ajedrecista might qualify. |
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Dec-15-22
 | | jnpope: <<OhioChessFan:> I guess it's really an early chess computer, but El Ajedrecista might qualify.> Interesting. I would definitely make it the first chapter on a book about computer chess, but it doesn't fall into the man controlled devices like the other automata. |
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| Dec-15-22 | | stone free or die: Interesting mention by <OCF> of a device I wasn't aware of. A bit of a specialist though. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: I found the Toronto Star online but alas, it was founded in 1892. It apparently was created by employees of the Toronto News. I'll have a look at that soon. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | jnpope: <<OhioChessFan:> I found the Toronto Star online but alas, it was founded in 1892. It apparently was created by employees of the Toronto News. I'll have a look at that soon.> Thank you for the effort, hopefully the Toronto News will have something. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: From The Toronto World September 20, 1888.
Everybody sees Ajeeb and his wonderful games of chess. The hall where he performs, which is just south of the Grand Stand, was filled to its utmost capacity all day yesterday. All who have seen him say that he is the most remarkable manipulator ever seen. He does not alone play chess but also checkers and beats every and any one that dare come near him. He is the only good and unfailing chess-player in this country. Mr. Boeck, the Master of Ceremonies, gives interesting information. The admission is only ten cents for an exhibition which is so interesting. Let none of the visitors fail to patronize Ajeeb. https://www.canadiana.ca/view/oocih... |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: From The Toronto World September 21, 1888.
The admission is only ten cents, and the exhibition so interesting that it is the absorbing topic of conversation on the fairground. The location of Ajeeb and his mysterious games of chess which he performs to the gratification of all who witness them, is just south of the Grand Stand. A continual stream of patronizers kept pouring in all day yesterday. Ajeeb is not alone a chess player ; he also plays checkers, and is the most wonderful manipulator ever seen. He has been brought here from Paris at a great expense, and Mr. Jardine, his manager, makes everyone satisfied who gives Ajeeb a call. Mr. C. A. Boeck furnishes visitors with all desired information. Every lover of chess and checkers should see this wonderful automation. The investment is small and will never be regretted. https://www.canadiana.ca/view/oocih... |
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Dec-17-22
 | | jnpope: The <Lowestoft Journal>, 1888.10.13, p3, (British paper) gives a blurb from the <Turf, Field and Farm>:
<Mr. W. Fleming, of Markham, Ont., played one game with that wonderful automaton Ajeeb, at Toronto, and white-washed him. Mr. Goodman, of Toronto, also played five games with him, winning two, and three games drawn.—Turf (New York).>William Fleming was a champion checker player from Ontario, so I have hope that some newspaper was reporting on Ajeeb's visit to Toronto, even if it was in a checkers/draughts column. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: Sorry, these aren't quite in order, but anyway. From The Toronto World September 19, 1888.
Ajeeb and His Chess
On the west side of the Grand Stand, adjoining the Dominion Organ Company's pavillion, is a great attraction. Here will be found Ajeeb and his wonderful games of chess. He does not alone play chess but also chekcers, and it is amusing and interesting to see him beat some of Canada's champions. Everybody should see him, for he is a wonder. He has been on exhibition in New York, London and Paris, where he played before large audiences. He has been brought to this fair at an enormous expense. Those visitors who have seen him unanimously pronounce that is the most mysterious and wonderful chess automation that ever appeared in this country. Mr. C. A. Boeck, the enterprising Trinity Square printer, is the Master of Ceremonines, and courteously gives the visitor all information. The admission is only ten cents, which is a mere bagatelle for an exhibition which is so interesting and will afford a lively topic for conversation for many a day. Let none of the citizens or their country cousins fail to patronize Ajeeb. https://www.canadiana.ca/view/oocih... |
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Dec-17-22
 | | jnpope: <<OhioChessFan:> From The Toronto World September 21, 1888. > Thanks!
So there was an Ajeeb from Paris; interesting. I would have bet good money that it was the Ajeeb (1888 Clark) model out of Chicago. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: Here's an account of a loss!
From The Toronto World September 22, 1888.
Ajeeb, the chess automaton, may be all right so long as he sticks to common men as his opponents, but when an editor like Mr. W. R. Climie of The Bowmanville Sun got at him yesterday he succumbed. https://www.canadiana.ca/view/oocih... |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: This page has a picture of Mr. Climie at the bottom. http://images.ourontario.ca/Partner... |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: Yes, the Paris reference was probably the biggest point to be mentioned. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | jnpope: The Paris mention as well as "Mr. Jardine" definitely indicates the presence of another Ajeeb in North America outside of the previously known list. Great finds; thanks again for the help. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: Looking at the timeline, the Paris reference really doesn't fit. I suppose it's possible that they claimed it had been in Paris just for marketing purposes. And I likewise suppose it might have travelled from the Eden Musee to Europe for a while. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | OhioChessFan: You're thinking a third Ajeeb? |
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