| Oct-27-05 | | aw1988: Wasn't this the name of a famous Indian trading post? |
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| Aug-22-09 | | Dredge Rivers: Oeh, what a feeling! :) |
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Aug-22-09
 | | Tabanus: Prof. Johannes Vilhelm Öhquist (born 6/12 1861 in Slavanka at St. Petersburg, + 15/10 1949 in Wolfach, Baden Germany), Finnish player and problem composer. http://www.chess.com/news/paladiini...
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann...
Author of "Schachprobleme", Helsinki 1932
Picture: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nZijgwQDE... Evans gambit by him:
[Event "6. ottelupeli"]
[Site "Helsinki"]
[Date "1893.03.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Johannes Öhquist"]
[Black "Anatoly Alekseevich Chepurnov"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bc5 6.O-O Na5 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Nxe5+ Ke7 9.d4 Bb6 10.Qh5 Qf8 11.Bg5+ Nf6 12.Ng4 d6 13.e5 dxe5 14.dxe5 Bxg4 15.Qxg4 Nc6 16.exf6+ gxf6 17.Re1+ Kd8 18.Bh4 h5 19.Qf5 Rh6 20.Na3 Ne7 21.Rad1+ Ke8 22.Qd7+ Kf7 23.Qe6+ Ke8 24.Rd7 Rh7 25.Bxf6 1-0 |
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Dec-07-24
 | | jnpope: <1861 in Slavanka at St. Petersburg> Was he a Russian ethnic Fin who moved to Finland or was he born to Finnish parents who were visiting family in Russia at the time? |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Cassandro: <jnpope> Considering his name I'd say he was an ethnic Swede. Lots of people of Swedish origin even in today's Finland. |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: So he was an ethnic Swede born in Russia who moved to Finland? |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Cassandro: <Tabanus> wrote that he was born in Slavanka in 1861. Slavyanka, now in Russia, was back then part of the Grand Duchy of Finland, which was an autonomous region of the Russian Empire. So technically he was kind of born in Finland, even though Slavyanka was Russian Empire then and is Russian Federation now. Still, his name indicates that he was of Swedish origin, that much is clear. |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: <back then part of the Grand Duchy of Finland> I'm not fully versed on my Finnish/Russian wartime history/geography, but didn't Russia take it over in the 1700s? Shouldn't it be safe to call him Russian by the time he was born in Slavanka in 1861? |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: Not all Finns with Swedish names and also with Swedish as their mother tongue are of Swedish origin. Many adopted a surname during the centuries of Swedish rule; sometimes a priest would put them down in the books under a Swedish(cized) name, after all the peasants didn't have own family names. That seems to have happened with the Öhquist family, they adopted that name in early 19th century, but records go back to the 16th century. They had a farm in the Tornionjoki Valley, the border river of present day Sweden and Finland. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Cassandro: <jnpope> Well, Finland had an autonomous status within the Russian Empire, so I don't think it's wrong to call him Finnish, certainly not Russian. Take for instance as a counter example the great Mahatma Gandhi; he was born around the same time as Öhquist, in the 1860s I believe, in India. But back then India was British India, part of the British Empire. Yet, nobody would call Gandhi British, would they? |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: <jnpope:> Napoleon had czar Alexander take Finland from Sweden in 1809. The czar was the Grand Duke, but Finland had separate institutions. But the Finns also had many opportunities to make careers in Russia - that's why many prominent 100 percent Finnish families had offspring born over there. |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: Wasn't the entirety of the St. Petersburg region (including the suburb of Slavanka) outside the domain of the Grand Duchy of Finland? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gra... Again, my knowledge of the area is based on a few of the territorial wars so I'm depending upon the accuracy of Wikipedia at the moment as I don't have access to my home library at the moment. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: Yes that's right. On the other hand Mihail Botvinnik was born in Finland. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Cassandro: <jnpope> Öhquist's birthplace Slavyanka was at the time of his birth in 1861, part of Viipuri Province, which itself was a part of the Grand Duchy of Finland at the time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vii... |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: We are obviously discussing two different locations. Village of Slavanka, Russia (now a suburb of the south-west corner of St. Petersburg) vs City of Slavyanka, Viipuri, Finland. Tabanus posted <Slavanka at St. Petersburg> indicating the former and not the city over 100 km distance from St. Petersburg. So now I'm confused as to where Öhquist was born! |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: I stand corrected; I didn't know where Slavyanka is. I looked at Tabanus' <Slavanka at St. Petersburg>. I found this, it is in Finnish: https://wiipuri.fi/app/uploads/2018... On page 40 Johannes Öhquist's life is outlined. His son Harald later became lord of Vyborg castle. Vyborg belonged to Finland until WWII. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: And according to that the birthplace is on this river, Venjoki on Finnish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavy... The surrounding area is full of Finnish placenames, that's due to the fact that a lot of the population are these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhor... But of course the place itself is Russsian land. |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: So we can "confirm" he was born in the village of Slav(y)anka, Russia, near St. Petersburg. Do we know if/when he became a Finnish citizen? |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Cassandro: Didn't know there were so many Slavyankas. Yes, if his birthplace was the village that is now a suburb of St.Petersburg then he was born on Russian land, as <Olavi> pointed out. Guess I jumped the gun on this one. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: His father was the vicar of the Finnish congregation in St. Petersburg: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyh%C...
His mother was German. Here is his father, earlier vicar in congregations in present day Finland. https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan... So, to answer<jnpope>' question: he became a Finnish citizen at birth. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | Olavi: But still German was his mother tongue. It wasn't so unusual for Vyborgians to learn German, Russian, Swedish, Finnish, possibly Estonian as children. I'd guess that goes for this first generation "immigrant" too. |
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Dec-07-24
| | jnpope: So dual citizenship or just a Finn born on Russian soil? |
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Dec-08-24
 | | nizmo11: According myHeritage.com, His father was
Johan Christoffer Öhqvist, born in Kuopio, Finland
June 24 1831, died Jan 21 1883 in Saint Petersburg
and mother Olga Maria Avenarius Apr 9 1842 in Pushkin, Saint Petersburg, died Mar 29 1909 in Helsinki.
Her father was Peter Gustav von Avenarius, born in Jan 31 1794 Vuole, Finland
(Now part of Russian Federation).
So I would agree with <Olavi>, Öhquist was Finnish citizen at birth and to <jnpope>,
he was born on Russian soil. |
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Dec-08-24
| | nizmo11: But what is known about is matches against Tschepurnoff?
Wikipedia: "In 1893, Öhquist still won the match against Tschepurnoff with 7 wins, 2 draws and 3 losses."
This is true, bit this was the only the first match. They started in 1893 also a second match, that was possibly not finished.
Then during spring 1897 a third match was played.
<Nya Pressen, 26.04.1897, no 111, p. 3>
Match Tschepurnoff — Öhquist.
The sixth and seventh games have been won by Ohquist. He has won the match with five games to two.
In December 1897 they started yet another match for 10 wins.
The last information I could find was
<Nya Pressen, 10.01.1898, nro 8, s. 4>
"Match Tschepurnoff—Öhquist. The eighth game was won by Tschepurnoff, the ninth game by Ohquist. Score: Tschepurnoff + 5.5, Öhquist 3.5. The continuation of the match has been postponed for a month." (Öhquist was the editor of the chess column)
After that were there more games? |
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Dec-22-24
 | | jinkinson: He has a Wikipedia page that should be added to his bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan... |
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