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| Jan-14-14 | | john barleycorn: <Karpova> with the changes of the first paragraph, this text passage must have also been altered, imo. <In Paris, early in 1909, Lasker and Janowski played a small match in
which each player won two games. This apparently emboldened Janowski
into raising backing for a world title match, which was played in 1910,
but perhaps unwisely he played a second exhibition against Lasker, this
time of ten games, in 1909.>
Can you confirm? |
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| Jan-14-14 | | Karpova: <john barleycorn>
Overall, his change in the first paragraph looks awkward to me, as it seems that he tries to keep the original shape and just change the information. As long as he claimed that there was a title match in 1909, this emphasis was justified but now it is not. They first played this drawn short match (May), which enthused Nardus, Janowski's financial backer, who made a try to arrange a WC match (<Der Veranstalter des Wettkampfes, Herr Nardus, war über den Verlauf der Partien so entzückt, daß er sich für das Zustandekommen eines Kampfes um die Weltmeisterschaft mit allen Kräften einsetzte und 6000 Franken für den Preisfond offerirte.>, page 235 of the August 1909 'Wiener Schachzeitung'), but Dr. Lasker had to leave for New York. Then they played the second match (Oktober to November) which was called <II. Wettkampf Lasker-Janowski> on page 410 of the December 1909 'Wiener Schachzeitung'. And only in 1910 followed the WC match later that year. So now, Dr. Harding mostly got it right but as sources are lacking in his article, it is hard to know what to make of his claim <This apparently emboldened Janowski into raising backing for a world title match,>, when the WSZ makes Nardus appear as the driving force. |
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| Jan-14-14 | | john barleycorn: <Karpova: <john barleycorn> Overall, his change in the first paragraph looks awkward to me, as it seems that he tries to keep the original shape and just change the information.> Yes, awkward. more like a schoolboy correcting his homework than a PhD. |
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| Jan-14-14 | | Karpova: I have to get back to Dr. Harding's <(In my column twelve months ago, I had said, following ChessBase and some other writers, that the 1909 Janowsky match was for the world title but I am now persuaded that this was not the case and only their 1910 match was for the title.)> Link: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibit...
Not only the mention of <some other writers>, who remain unidentified, is interesting, but also the mention of <ChessBase> is curious. This is his explanation for the wrong info in his 2009 column. I wonder what he is referring to, as already Edward Winter's Chess Explorations (1), published <5/6/2008> on chessbase.com - Link: http://en.chessbase.com/post/edward...- - presents clear evidence and Winter concludes <Lasker survived against Schlechter, and in Berlin on 8 November 1910 there duly began the one and only world championship match between Lasker and Janowsky.>. Apart from the <writers> (again, Keene?), what other chessbase article he is referring to? He can't mean Winter's article wherein it was shown that the title match took place in 1910, not 1909 as Dr. Harding had originally claimed. |
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| Jan-15-14 | | Karpova: It is definitely necessary to work on the accuracy of online chess game databases. It's not an excuse, but a good explanation for a number of mistakes that books contain mistakes also, which are then taken over by databases. Such a case is detailed by Edward Winter in C.N. 6942. Link: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... The game Leon L. Labatt won against Dr. Emanuel Lasker in New Orleans, 1907, is often given as a Simul game. I quote Edward Winter <A well-known brevity [...] is often said to have occurred in a simultaneous exhibition. See, for example, page 68 of 'Play The Evans Gambit' by T. Harding and B. Cafferty (London, 1997), as well as various blind-leading-the-blind database productions.> This is surprising as it was not a Simul game, but an individual game. Edward Winter reproduces page 105 of the July 1907 'Lasker’s Chess Magazine', which clearly states that it was an individual game. |
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| Feb-20-14 | | Karpova: See <whiteshark>'s posts <whiteshark: ChessBase 'Correspondence Database 2013' has this game with following details:[Event "corr"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1947.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Vermeulen"]
[Black "Salokangas, Hannu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C52"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventDate "1947.??.??"]
[EventType "game (corr)"]
[EventCountry "GER"]>
Link: Vermeulen vs Akohangas, 1948 <whiteshark: although Hannu Salokangas 's <birthday May-16-1956> would indicate that it was a prenatal corr.game, at least from his side. ;)> Link: Vermeulen vs Akohangas, 1948 <whiteshark: Tim Harding's <UltraCorr Database (2006)> shows the above data, too.> Link: Vermeulen vs Akohangas, 1948 It would be interesting to find out what Dr. Harding's sources for the game in question are. |
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| Oct-25-14 | | ljfyffe: ICCF Gold 2002: "The best individual results have been achieved by Tony Doyle(Irish OTB Champion 1975) and Alan Ludgate (Irish OTB
Champion 1977). Darrell Nightingale, Tim Harding and Desmond Taylor complete our tally of five SIMs. The IM title has been achieved by
Canadian resident Dr. Eugene Gibney (2001)
who has also won the Canadian CC Championship, and by David Salter." |
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Dec-20-15
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who has also won the Canadian CC Championship, and by David Salter."> Another Irish-born corr IM is <Ciaran O'Hare>, now based in the USA, who sometimes posts on cg as <cohare>.
Among other eminent players, John Gibson deserves a mention. |
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Mar-21-16
| | Domdaniel: I played Tim Harding last week in a tournament game -- a draw. I may upload it to CG in due course. |
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| Feb-24-17 | | zanzibar: His PhD is online:
<‘Battle at long range’:
correspondence chess in Britain and Ireland, 1824-1914,
a social and cultural history (2009)>
http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/ha... |
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Jul-01-17
 | | MissScarlett: <I would never dream of using chessgames.com as a source for any kind of historical data.> http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic...
Bastard! |
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| Jul-01-17 | | zanzibar: <Re: Alleged games of MM Botvinnik Postby Tim Harding » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:28 pm
Botvinnik certainly did not visit Dublin 1979, if ever. ...
I would never dream of using chessgames.com as a source for any kind of historical data. They may have derived a lot of their material from the old pitt.edu files of the 1990s which were full of errors, and, as others have already pointed out, it was very hard in the old ChessBase CBF days to document things properly. Tim Harding
Historian and Kibitzer
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Note the date of that post - 2013.
<Missy>'s only had four whole years to get her rage on! . |
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| Jul-01-17 | | Retireborn: No photo of him either. |
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Jul-01-17
| | MissScarlett: Did he move to Ireland? That's racist! Why not Uganda, for instance? |
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| Jul-01-17 | | Retireborn: Careful now. Down with this sort of thing! |
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| Jul-01-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: "Chess games of John Finan Barry, career statistics, famous victories, opening ... has no connection with John Barry (or Milner-Barry, or Irish master C. Barry)." Joke's on you. |
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Jul-02-17
| | MissScarlett: It is well to put a shot across the bows of our critics. Pour encourager les autres... This site is mad as hell and isn't going to take it any more! |
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| Jul-03-17 | | zanzibar: <MissS> well, Harding's adage is probably the best default. <CG> can be a wonderful resource, but the trouble is, it's hard to tell exactly what one has, and it's ultimate reliability. Those on the inside know almost immediately, but what about those on the outside? . |
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Jul-03-17
| | MissScarlett: I suggest you cease treating these critics as if they were reasonable people making legitimate criticisms. They are <ENEMIES>, and will be treated accordingly. |
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| Jul-03-17 | | zanzibar: But, but, I've benefited so much from Harding's work... Was it all,
just a
dream? |
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| Jul-04-17 | | zanzibar: <MissS> Let's be a little serious for a moment and consider a practical example. Karl Pitschel Where are the first three games from? (Two 1851, one 1855, all vs. Anderssen) Anderssen is a fairly major figure - but combing through Pope's online resources I could find no mention in any of the chess periodicals... http://www.chessarch.com/library/li...
OK, I admit that I didn't look through the entire year's supply of newspaper articles via the O'Keefe timeline. But none of these three Anderssen // Pitschel games have the Source tag. I can't even find out who submitted them to <CG>, or when. So, it's pretty much unusable unless you explicitly trust the authority of <CG>. So... do you?
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| Jul-05-17 | | john barleycorn: <zanzibar>
K Pitschel vs Anderssen, 1851 was played by Ernst Pitschel and is game 25 in Gottschall's Anderssen book "Die beiden nachfolgenden Partien stammen aus dem Nachlaß des am 20. Januar 1872 in Wien verstorbenen Photographen Ernst Pitschel, eines Bruders des Schachmeisters Karl Pitschel. ... In den Nachlaßpapieren findet sich die Aufzeichnung "schon vor 20 Jahren gespielt". ..." |
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| Jul-05-17 | | zanzibar: <jbc> right, looks like <CG> needs a correction slip or two submitted. I noted the brother mention in Pitschel's obit... Maybe the detailed discussion should move over to that forum. Still waiting for <Missy>'s assessment of the situation - and suggested remedies. . |
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| Oct-07-19 | | wordfunph: he works in West Mercia Police as Superintendent.. https://ph.news.yahoo.com/telford-a... |
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Mar-02-22
| | MissScarlett: <Economic sanctions are likely to mean FIDE will lose major sponsorship from some Russian corporations, but they should repudiate those connections anyway. Because of the importance of the game of chess in Russian culture, it is particularly important that chess players elsewhere in the world stand up and be counted. We personally find we have one ongoing correspondence tournament game against a Russian opponent. Since he has not made any comment with his latest move, we shall not continue the game (currently still in "book") although it means we thereby lose any chance of qualifying for the semi-final of the event. Nor will we resign but instead we shall just let our time run out. Our silence may tell him something.> http://chessmail.com/xtras/whatsnew...
Don't mess with this guy....he'll cut you off and leave you dangling! #hardcoreharding |
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