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Jun-19-16
 | | offramp: He was half-American. His Dad was from New Orleans. |
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Jun-19-16
 | | MissScarlett: Was he the greatest dad in New Orleans? |
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Jun-19-16
 | | offramp: <jnpope: So I was messing around with Rybka and checking it's evaluations at 14-ply for the starting arrays in the Des Chapelles v St. Amant odds match ...
In the first, and only published game, Des Chapelles gives St. Amant the Queen's Rook for two extra pawns (at c4 and f4) and the move. Rybka suggests Nf3 as White's best move with an evaluation of White at -4.31 centi-pawns.> I am confused as to what -4.31 centipawns means. I believe it means -0.0431 pawns. That is, a very very small advantage to Black. But logic tells me that <-4.31 centipawns> in fact means -4.31 pawns, a large advantage for Black. I wonder which it is? |
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Jun-19-16
 | | jnpope: I have no idea what the conversion is for Rybka's evaluation function to pure "pawns". I based the unit of measure, i.e. the centipawn, on what I found here in regard to Rybka 4.1: http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybka... |
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Jun-19-16
 | | jnpope: I would have to go with the values as being converted to "pawns" in the Arena software I use to harness the Rybka 4.1 engine... so -431 centipawns is probably what Rybka evaluated the position as and it became -4.31 pawns as converted by Arena. So my mistake on bungling the conversion units. |
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Jun-25-16
 | | dernier loup de T: Talisman; maybe you did not notice that Deschapelles seems to have played only ONE chess game in his life, not four or more... |
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Jun-27-16 | | Stalwart: TheAlchemist's post is a beautiful composition. I included it in my book about forced mates of masters. bterranlong.wix.com/whitemates
http://selz.co/VkVQqyrS$ |
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May-02-18 | | Cibator: <Aug-02-13: Oliveira: A portrait of Deschapelles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A... Well I wouldn't swear to the authenticity of that portrait. It shows a mature man with bags under his eyes and crows' feet. Age at least early thirties, possibly older. (You can't see the jawline, which could have provided useful confirmation of the age-range.) Thing is: Deschapelles (b 1780) would have been that age from about 1812 onward. But the hair style shown in the picture - queue at the back, tied with a ribbon - would surely have well out of date by then. |
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Aug-05-19 | | Chesgambit: very weak chess player |
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Oct-27-19 | | Carrots and Pizza: I've been waiting for many years now for a treasure trove of Deschapelles games to be discovered buried deep in some library in Europe. I actually Google him and his games once every 5 years or so, going all the way back to 1990s. |
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May-25-20 | | Marcelo Bruno: <TheAlchemist>, <Needle>: I think if it is possible to restore this game with a retrograde analysis software. |
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May-06-22
 | | MissScarlett: Ipswich Journal, January 20th 1844, p.3:
<FISCAL SEVERITY IN FRANCE. - The Baron Deschapelles, the celebrated chess player, was tried on Tuesday, before the Court of Correctional Police of Paris, for having in his possession a quantity of snuff and about 20 cigars. The Baron admitted that the tobacco and snuff seized were of foreign manufacture, but declared that he had imported them from England by permission of the Commissioners of Excise, to whom he had paid the legal duty. "I," said the Baron, "an ancient Commissioner of Excise, never would have entertained the idea of defrauding the revenue. I beg to observe, that I consume 1,500f. worth of tobacco in the year, and that what was seized was worth but 1f. 50c. The idea is absurd." The Baron was acquitted.> |
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May-25-22 | | Petrosianic: <Chesgambit>: <very weak chess player> I can tell you put a lot of thought into that evaluation. |
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May-25-22
 | | perfidious: This life 1200 player agrees with <Petrosianic>. |
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Jul-15-24
 | | martin moller: Hello fellow chess historians I have a chess problem ! Danish chessplayer Soren Anton Sorensen writes a piece in the danish chess magazine " Nordisk skaktidende" about The Latvian gambit in 1877. Here he mention a correspondance chess game between Deschapelles and Hungary played 1841, which means that Soren Anton Sorensen must have had that game at hand ! Anybody know of this game ? (sorry my english) |
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Jul-15-24 | | Olavi: <martin moller> A book Levelezesi sakk (1985) by Szergej Grodzneskij and Iszaak Romanov mentions these games: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... and that Deschapelles was somehow involved, I can't really interpret it with google translate... in any case a game with 2...f5 is mentioned. |
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Jul-16-24 | | Granny O Doul: Maxim Magazine used to have a silly feature where they'd give a "tale of the tape" for outwardly natural matchups such as Kevin Spacey vs. Mr. Spacely, Mary Kay Ash vs. Mary-Kate and Ashley, and so on. I missed a few issues so I don't know if they ever paired Deschapelles with Dave Chappelle but there's no reason they shouldn't have. |
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Jul-18-24
 | | martin moller: <Olavi> Thank you for your answer, do you have the 2.....f5 game at hand ? Then i would be very thankfull. |
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Jul-18-24 | | Olavi: <martin moller> No, I would naturally have given it. Here is the passage in the original Hungarian (but without the necessary diacritics): Mindget klub elen jeles mesterek alltak. A parizsiakat, csakugymint a London elleni merközesen, Saint-Amant iranyitotta. Reszt kivant venni az összecsapasban a legerösebb francia mester, Deschapelles is. Am amikor 1.e4 e5 2.Hf3 utan nem fogadtak el a javaslatat, 2.-f5-öt, kilepett az elemzök közül. A pesti klub reszeröl a Szen Jozsef vezerelte kör tagjai jatszottak. |
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Jul-18-24
 | | jnpope: Starting in 1842 the cities of Paris and Pesth played two correspondence games. In the game where Pesth had first move Deschapelles wanted the French to play 2...f5, but he was overruled by most of the other players and he stopped participating in both games. From <Le Palamède>, v3 n1, 15 January 1843, p19:
<La partie hongroise a été dans la commission un sujet de grands débats. M. Deschapelles, qui n'a pas voulu être membre de cette commission, dont la présidence ne m'a été dévolue que sur son refus, mais qui a offert ses conseils toutes les fois qu'ils seraient réclamés, avait fait proposer par M. Chamouillet, le seul des commissaires qui l'ait vu à cette occasion, de pousser pour second coup: le P du F du R 2 pas. C'était offrir le gambit à la partie où nous n'avions pas eu le trait. Déjà M. Deschapelles avait ouvert l'avis de donner le gambit à la partie française.Aucun des commissaires, pas même M. Chamouillet, qui avait essayé la partie avec M. Deschapelles, n'a partagé l'avis de ce grand maître. Le temps pressait. Après avoir long-temps flotté indécise entre le C de la D à la 3° c. du F de la D et le C du R à la 3° c. du F du R, la majorité a définitivement accepté ce dernier coup. Dans cette préférence elle a été mue, non pas parce qu'elle a jugé ce coup meilleur que l'autre, mais pour ne pas copier servilement nos adversaires dans la partie française, et pour éviter de nous traîner dans une partie qui a été tournée et retournée de tant de milliers de façons. Ces motifs sont d'autant plus louables, que la partie des deux cavaliers du Roi est fort interessante et très peu connue.> Then it goes on about how the French were pleased selecting Jaenicsh's move of 2...Nf6 before ending with:
<Pour en revenir au coup de M. Deschapelles et aux divisions intestines qu'il a occasionnées, disons tout de suite que nous ne pouvons qu'avoir beaucoup de regrets de nous être séparés de lui en cette circonstance. S'il était venu se mêler à nos travaux et essayer la partie avec nous, nul doute qu'il n'eût rallié beaucoup d'avis au sien, n'eût-ce été que par la puissance de sa démonstration; mais il fallait éclairer les esprits pour opérer des conversions. C'est ainsi que les choses se sont passées pour le coup qui a été accepté. Un vote de confiance ou de condescendance ne se doit pas, quand on agit en vertu d'un mandat accordé à votre intelligence et à votre savoir. Se soumettre comme des enfans est bon devant le dictateur d'une classe; mais dans le sein d'une commission où règne telle ment l'égalité que le vote se compte et ne se pèse pas, où la responsabilité est solidaire, on doit examiner, essayer tout en commun ou séparément, et ensuite opiner d'après les lumières de sa conscience. Voilà le droit et le devoir. Rien de plus, rien de moins.> I doubt any game with Deschapelles playing 2...f5 was ever recorded. Most of the Deschapelles games we have are due to the English players, Cochrane, Lewis, and Greville, recording their moves against him. The only other known games that exist are those played against his countrymen at the odds of pawn and two moves (with Dumoncheau) or "The Game of Pawns" variant where Deschapelles gave up a piece for a number of extra pawns (with Saint-Amant).
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Jul-21-24
 | | martin moller: <jnpope> Thank you for your very thorough answer - although i don´t speak/read french :-) . I will try to translate the tekst in "Nordisk skaktidende" It goes something like that : Deschapelles also played 2.....f5 in 1841 against Hungary, but he got too optimistic. My conclusion is that Soren Anton Sorensen must have known the game score. But then again many chessgames has disappeared in the course of time. |
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Nov-26-24 | | stone free or die: <Deschapelles never laughed; St. Amant did always.> http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... |
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Nov-26-24
 | | MissScarlett: Deschapelles had the greatest laugh in France. I read a while back that St. Amant died from his injuries after being thrown from a carriage. |
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Nov-26-24 | | stone free or die: <MissScarlett: Deschapelles had the greatest laugh in France.> Let's see, would am I to believe? A well sourced contemporaneous account by a contemporary of St. Amant (i.e. Delanney), or an unsourced assertion by some random <CG> user?! Hmm....
< I read a while back that St. Amant died from his injuries after being thrown from a carriage.> Well, in this case we can do better than the Wiki sources (Sannucks, Hooper and Whyld). <Il a succombé le 29 octobre 1872, aux suites d’une chute de voiture.> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b... "He died on October 29, 1872, after falling from a car." Today a "voiture" is a car, but back then it meant carriage. The difference between a fall and being thrown is too subtle, but I like to stick to sources, so I'll take fall. |
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Nov-27-24 | | stone free or die: While awaiting supporting material from <Missy> as concerns Deschapelles' "greatest laugh in France", I did find this material from <George Walker>, published in 1850, and worth quoting at length: <
It has been well said, "there is no royal road to learning"; but M. Deschapelles laughed the proverb to scorn, and arrived at the temple of Caissa by a path which we can only consider as first-speed "railroad". Endowed with so peculiar an aptitude for acquiring games, our hero did not learn, but seized on chess at once. By a sudden and mighty impress, he stamped it on his brain, and bore it ever afterwards, bodily, within him, perfectly developed in all its parts. "I acquired chess," said he to us, in the presence of fifty amateurs, "in four days! I learned the moves, played with Bernard, who had succeeded Philidor as the sovereign of the board; lost the first day, the second, the third, and beat him even-handed on the fourth; since which time I have never advanced or receded. Chess to me has been, and is, a single idea, which, once acquired, cannot be displaced from its throne, while the intellect remains unimpaired by sickness or age." At first reflection, it would appear ridiculous to say the greatest chess player of the age had acquired his skill in four days; but M. Deschapelles asserts it as a fact, and we are therefore bound to believe him. We heard a wag whisper, that, like the interpretation put by Dr. Buckland on the seven days of Moses, each day must have meant, at least, a year, or more; but we seriously protest against ill-natured scepticism. It is so delightful to sneer at enthusiasm, particularly on the part of the small-souled and envious! We view the brain of M. Deschapelles as a phenomenon, and not, therefore, to be measured by ordinary rules. Besides, his assertion, however startling, is really borne out by the extraordinary fact, with which Paris and London rang loudly at the time. When the question of M. Deschapelles' chivalrous challenge to give pawn and two to the best English player (of which more anon) was on the tapis, in the month of May, 1836, the French champion, who had not played a single game, nor even touched a chess-board, for fifteen years, felt some curiosity to know what effect this long interval of inactivity would have on his chess faculty. To test this, he suddenly walked into the Paris Chess Club; and, without the slightest preparation, sat down to play with M. de la Bourdonnais, at that curious variety of chess known as "the game of the pawns", in which the one player removes his queen, and is allowed, instead, a certain number of extra pawns. Deschapelles and De la Bourdonnais played four games at this sitting, even, -- that is to say, eight pawns being allowed alternately for the queen. Of these games Deschapelles won two, drew one, and lost one! Can words add to this astonishing feat? >
http://mark_weeks.tripod.com/chw02b... . |
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