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| Nov-29-03 | | Calli: Golmayo played Morphy and Capablanca. Unfortunately none of the games that he played against little Jose have survived. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | meloncio: There is a confusion about the names, as usual when treating spanish surnames. The Golmayo were THREE players, the father Celso Golmayo Zúpide, & two sons, Celso Golmayo Torriente and Manuel Golmayo Torriente. The father played against Morphy and maybe against young Capablanca. BTW, I have a game Capablanca-Manuel Golmayo (1-0) from the IT Barcelona 1929; I will upload soon. |
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| Mar-11-04 | | Calli: <Meloncio> Celso Zupide Golmayo birth/death dates are usually given as (1820-1898). Did he father children late in life? Any possibility Manual is a grandson or nephew? |
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| Mar-12-04 | | meloncio: I'm not sure of, but I have two books about "Golmayo dinasty" and both say father & two sons/brothers. Anyway you're right; it's too late to have children. Celso jr. was born in 1882, and Manuel in 1883. |
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| Mar-12-04 | | Lawrence: meloncio, it's never too late for a Spaniard to have children: Paloma Picasso was born when Pablo was 68. |
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| Mar-12-04 | | meloncio: <Lawrence> ¡¡EL TORO ESPAÑOL!! Andrés Segovia (a famous classical guitar player) had a daughter at 71 (!!). We are dangerous ... And BTW, what about English people? I remember Charles Chaplin having a lot of children at 65 or 70 years old. |
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| Mar-12-04 | | vishyanand: Allan Greenspan had a child when he was 75! |
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| Mar-12-04 | | Calli: Greenspan didn't even look pregnant :-)
Are you sure? His wife is Andrea Mitchell and she in her fifties. |
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| Mar-12-04 | | Lawrence: When Greenspan was 75, i.e. 3 years ago, Andrea Mitchell was 54. An article in a recent "Ladies Home Journal" says they have no children. Vishy, who is the mother of Greenspan's child? Are you sure you're not talking about when he gave birth to a new anti-inflationary policy? |
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| Mar-12-04 | | Calli: <Lawrence> Thanks for the confirmation. <vishyanand> comments are clearly the result of , in the words of Alan Greenspan, "irrational exuberance" on this topic. |
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Jun-08-05
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May-03-06
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http://batgirl.atspace.com/morphybi...
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In the end of January 1864, Morphy left for New Orleans to see what could be salvaged from the results of the Civil War and Northern occupation. Arriving in Santigo de Cuba and then making his way the 540 miles north-west to Havana on the steamship, Aguila, on February 16, Morphy only spent two days on the island despite his warm welcome. "The rich banker, Mr. Francisco Fesser, gave a sumptuous banquet on Tuesday in honor of the celebrated chess player Mr. Morphy who should be leaving today for New Orleans. aturally the greater part of the invited guests were enthusiasts of the noble game in which Mr. Morphy recognizes no rival, but this was no reason why we could not count many and very beautiful ladies of our high society. Before dinner he played a game with Mr. Sicre, giving him a knight. Later he played alternately several games with Messrs. Dominguez, Golmayo, and Sicre, by memory, while carrying on at the same time an animated conversation with the estimable family of Mr. Fesser. On all the games he came out the winner, being applauded each time his fatigued opponents gave up their games and asked for grace... Among the invited guests we could count Messrs. Villergas, Golmayo, Sicre, Dominguez and Palmer, very well known for their affection for the difficult game, and the Messrs. Valdes, Cespedes, La Calle, Diaz, Albertini and others." -the Havana El Tiempo, February 18, 1864 Morphy played Celso Golmayo five games at Knight odds, winning two, losing three. El Moro Muza repoted that: "Mr. Morphy having played several games with Señor Golmayo, to whom he gave a Knight, has come to confess frankly that Señor Golmayo is too strong to receive a Knight from him and that the most he could give him would be a Pawn and two moves, a declaration that places Señor Golmayo at the very highest level amongst chess players." In return, Goyomayo [Golmayo?], in the April 1888 issue of the Charleston Chess Chronicle wrote: "In my many games with Morphy at odd of a Knight, I became hopelessly bewildered by the brilliancy and the intricacy of his combinations, but when I sit down with Steinitz on even terms I feel as though I have a very respectable chance to win...." ===
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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| May-27-06 | | Karpova: <BTW, I have a game Capablanca-Manuel Golmayo (1-0) from the IT Barcelona 1929; I will upload soon.> you said that 2 years ago but the game is still not there. |
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Sep-03-06
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"The document is addressed to FELIPE LIMA by the KING OF SPAIN’s representative, RAMON L. DE AYALA in connection with Spanish attorney and CHESS CHAMPION of Spain, CELSO GOLMAYO’s desire for the estrablishment [sic] of the famous CUBAN CHESS CLUB finally established in 1885. The document marks the beginnings of the idea to this document dated October 18, 1875 The document is original and with authentic signature... http://cgi.ebay.com/Cuba-1875-Docum... All rather fun!
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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| Nov-30-08 | | Bryce101: <karpova><you said that 2 years ago but the game is still not there.> its been about 4 years now :) |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Calli: It is here Capablanca vs M G De La Torriente, 1929 His son used the name Golmayo De La Torriente. |
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| Apr-24-09 | | whiteshark: Celso F. Golmayo Zupide
Birthdate 24-4-1820
Deceased 1-4-1898
Nationality CUB |
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Sep-06-09
 | | alexmagnus: Chessmetrics gives his peak rating at the age of 74 (peak ranking at the age of 65). This is maybe the latest peaker ever... |
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| Apr-20-10 | | reti: Wasn't Celso Golmayo born in Spain? |
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| Apr-20-10 | | TheFocus: The father was born in Spain, the son in Cuba. |
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| Dec-12-10 | | BIDMONFA: Celso Golmayo Zupide GOLMAYO ZUPIDE, Celso
http://www.bidmonfa.com/golmayo_zup...
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| Feb-09-16 | | zanzibar: Wikipedia gives his name as <Celso Golmayo y Zúpide> Winter also omits the Felix when giving the full name. http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
But Rod Edwards does user Celso F. at EDOchess:
http://www.edochess.ca/players/p235...
Was he a naturalized Cuban, originally born in Spain? |
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| Feb-09-16 | | zanzibar: I would guess, since Spain controlled Cuba as a colony at the time, that asking about the Cuban naturalization is entirely a moot point. |
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Feb-10-16
 | | Keyser Soze: I found this.
http://www.valvanera.com/riojanos/g...
You guess is right.He was a lawyer and champ at Spain and later took residence in Cuba (colony at the time) as he was appointed at the local District Tax and Contentious Court. And he kept playing it seems |
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| Feb-10-16 | | zanzibar: Is the <y Zúpide> signifying a locale or a matronym, I'm wondering. |
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