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Feb-03-06 | | schnarre: <Eric Schiller> <"...what mud he throws my way." Personally I feel such conduct is unbecoming of character & speaks poorly of whoever uses it. Whatever happened to "common courtesy"? |
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Feb-03-06
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Feb-04-06 | | chessmaster pro: So,<Eric Schiler> when are you gonna be playing another game against <ray keene>? |
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Feb-05-06 | | schnarre: <ray keene> Seems quite appropriate! |
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Feb-06-06 | | whiskeyrebel: excuse me Mr. Schiller, I was surprised to see your "one-move mates" book recently reviewed (and stocked) at the website of the USCF sales dealer discussed here a while back. Has the hatchet been buried? I hope so..just wondering. Thanks. |
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Feb-06-06 | | schnarre: <whiskeyrebel> Would be nice, wouldn't it!? |
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Feb-06-06
 | | Eric Schiller: <schnarre>Perhaps all the heat forced them to make a token gesture, but none of my major sellers are there, still. I'll keep an eye on things, but as far as I know this is just a single exception to the boycott and USCF-member oriented books like Gambit Chess Openings, the Encyclopedia of Chess Wisdom, and World Champion openings are still missing. Barnes and Nobles are featuring me in a simul next month, and seem to be stocking all my new books. They tend to stock only newer books, as might be expected. Still, I'm glad they will sell the checkmate book, though it is too simple for most USCF members. But I won't take the pressure off until they stock at least the books of mine that have demonstrated strong sales. |
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Feb-06-06 | | schnarre: <Eric Schiller> We'll keep our fingers crossed for you! I hope the simul will be a great success too!! |
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Feb-07-06 | | Skeptic1972: Mr. Schiller--may I ask a somewhat personal question? Why do you write SO MANY books? I am not one of those who think all of your books are bad. They are not. I am one of those who thinks that some of your books are bad (such as your "Unorthodox Chess Openings") and others are good (such as your "Gambit Chess Openings"; obviously, you "dig" gabmits.) Ignoring both those who dismiss all your books as hackwork and those who will defend all your books, it seems to me that the problem is this: instead of concentrating on things you are REALLY good at--Gambit openings, the Caro-Kann opening, instructions for beginners--you spread yourself too thin and write also about things you are not an expert at--Openings in general, chess history, etc. The result is not only that you write some bad books about things you are not an expert at, but also that the quality of the books about things you are an expert at suffers. They are not as good as they could have been, because you only spend 20% of your effort on them instead of 100%. This is not a criticism of you in particular. EVERYBODY who writes as much as you do would have the same problem. The question is, why do you do it in the first place? Surely financial reasons isn't it: one runs into the law of diminishing returns. |
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Feb-07-06
 | | ray keene: if someone is going to accuse any of erics books-or indeed anyones books- as "bad"-which is a harmful allegation against some one who is a professional author- i think the critique shd be supported by two things- 1 a confirmation that the person concerned has actually read the so called bad books and thus knows what they are talking about-- 2 reasons why they are bad with chapter verse and proof not just broad and vague assertions a so called good chess book cd be good for a number of reasons- but usually and primarily i have found because it helps the readers improve their comprehension of chess and thus their results. a bad book cd be bad for a huge number of reasons
poor print
bad proof reading
incorrect analysis
confusing layout
boring or repetitive language
generalised blunders and inaccuracies
data dumping with no real writing or explanations
so what precisely is eric being accused of and what is the proof? i have reviewed many of his books for the london times and found them easy reads -usually well produced-with the occasional typo , missed transposition and wrong date but nothing which makes comprehension impossible-of course 100% accuracy shd always be the goal, but frankly if you are writing an openings book and attribute a game to st petersburg 1895-for ex-rather then st petersburg 1896, it isnt going to inflict much damage! conversely i have reviewed books by writers with huge reputations for accuracy where i have discovered horrors such as : kings left in check in analysis for several moves
print so poor you cdnt distinguish black and white pieces especially the queens -with black knights being little more than blobs on the page editing errors which distorted the meaning of the original work forced checkmates overlooked in critical variations
terrible blunders leaving material to be taken
assessments of positions which were the reverse of the truth downright lies and distortions about events in the past i have also co written a number of books with eric and had him edit several of mine too. as a director of hardinge simpole publishing i am also proud to have eric as one of our stable of authors. |
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Feb-07-06
 | | ray keene: one more thing-its pretty disingenuous to say that everybody who writes as much as eric wd have the same problem-surely it is well known that almost nobody else writes as much as eric does-i think in fact that eric and i are vying for the world record between ourselves in the number of chess books written and published.i now have around 130-eric-whats yours now?? i shd add that almost no-one else has erics energy-in the recent gibtelecom tournament which i attended as a guest eric did the following 1 arbit the event -duties increased when stewart reuben collapsed through strain! 2 play two tournament games when players dropped out-he won both 3 gave lectures and courses in the mornings for trainee arbiters and local kids 4 advised the organisation on improvements for next year 5 collected material from the event for future writings QED I REST MY CASE M'LUD |
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Feb-07-06
 | | chessgames.com: I should add--
6. Still had time left over to email us the PGN after each round, and post dailly updates on our tournament page. Thanks, Eric. |
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Feb-07-06 | | Skeptic1972: Mr. Keene--
I don't want to make this into a discussion of the specifics of criticisms against some of Mr. Schiller's books. I am making a very general point: Mr. Schiller, I think, spreads himself far too thing. Had he concentrated his stupendeous energy on fewer books, they could be real classics. Which is NOT to say they are bad. The same claim, come to think of it, can be made of you, Mr. Keene: like Mr. Schiller, you have stupendeous energy for chess promotion, instruction, writing, and fundraising, but, like Mr. Schiller, you write so many books they just cannot be given the attention they deserve. This is not saying they are bad. This is saying they are not as good as they could have been. How about a constructive suggestion for both of you? You are well-known collaborators. Suppose both of you take the next year to write just ONE BOOK on a SPECIFIC SUBJECT (instead of many books about openings or combinations or chess in general) and write it together. Choose whatever you want: a famous (or unjustly forgotten) chess match; biography of a past or current chess player; instruction in a particular opening; anything. With your energy, connections, and--if you may forgive me--"pushiness" for getting information and support from others for chess (a very good quality for a chess promoter of course), you could surely write not only a good book, but the DEFINITIVE book on whatever subject you chose. I, for one, would be VERY interested in reading a book that both Mr. Schiller and Mr. Keene devoted most of their time and effort to for a year, instead of a book which is one of a dozen or so both of you have "in line" at any one time. |
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Feb-07-06
 | | cu8sfan: I want to add two things to the last couple of posts. Without judging anyone's books here - I haven't even written one - I think <Skeptic1972> has a point, if someone concentrates on the things he's really good at the results will be better, and writting many books is not the same as writting good books. Two, I would find it very difficult to impartially review the books of one of my friends and business partners. If <ray keene> can do it - hats off! Again, my post is just observant, it's not to bring down neither <Eric Schiller> nor <ray keene>, I value your input to this site a lot! Thanks. |
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Feb-07-06
 | | ray keene: 1 OBJECTIVITY
in my reviews of erics books in the times i have pointed out BOTH what i considered praiseworthy and what i considered failings-where i thought them important-- 2 WRITING SCHEDULE
thanks for the <skeptikal> advice but with all due respect the mere fact that -for example-four of my books will be appearing in early-mid 2006 ( kasparovs sicilian /a new book on miles/petrosians games v the elite and a new edition of chess terminators) does not mean that i wrote them all in january 2006. there are many delaying factors and other publishing considerations-in fact work started over four years ago on these projects! |
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Feb-07-06 | | RodSerling: We might be holding the chess authors to difficult high standards. How many really great chess books are there? Fischer's M60G? Tal's My Life and Games? Alekhine's books? Maybe another 20 or 30 that are just a cut below. Next time you go through a major transit hub, look at all the garbage for sale on the book racks-the same pulp fiction rehashed again and again. So I wouldn't be too critical of the contributing authors here. At least they aren't Danielle Steele. |
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Feb-07-06 | | Jim Bartle: Danielle Steele? What's her rating anyway?
Without getting into details, I think some of the criticism is that at least some of Eric Schiller's books are directed toward novices, and the more advanced players here find them shallow and obvious. Not a fair criticism. I found the two Schiller opening books I read quite useful. |
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Feb-07-06 | | azaris: <RodSerling> Popularity does not equal quality. There are lots of popular chess books that are just outdated rubbish or at best mediocre. Conversely, there must be lots of sleeper gems out there. Keep scouring the second-hand bookshops. |
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Feb-07-06 | | sleepkid: In regards to <Eric Schiller's> book output I made a comment on Dec. 26 which can be read on page 33 here:Eric Schiller As to the whole quality versus quantity discussion, I have to say that perhaps <Mr. Keene> and <Mr. Schiller> have put a little too much emphasis on being the most prolific author, and this has led to some output of rather dubious quality on Mr. Schiller's part. I have yet to read any books by Mr. Keene, so cannot make any judgement on their merits, but I would suggest that to make any mention of, much less boast about the quantity of books one has written is a rather hollow endeavour. After all, Danielle Steele (since she is mentioned above) has been quite a prolific author who is noteworthy for her astonishing productivity, lack of taste, and general tackiness. Quality is not a term that readily comes to mind when her name is mentioned. I'm certain that any author, instead of saying "I've written 140 pieces of pulp" would rather say "I only wrote one book, but it was ___________." (Insert 'To Kill a Mockingbird' or 'Faust' or 'And Their Eyes were Watching God' or 'Zurich International Chess Tournament, 1953' or any other classic.) So, having stated that, I would like to ask both <Ray Keene> and <Eric Schiller> which, out of the many books they have both authored, they consider to be representetive of their very best work, the one of which they are most proud of, so that I may perhaps make a more positive second appraisal of Mr. Schiller's work, and get off on the right foot with Mr. Keene's. (And though this may seem like a criticism, let me note that I fully commend both of them for their hard work and enthusiasm in promoting and contributing to chess as whole.) |
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Feb-07-06 | | mack: Am I legally allowed to like both Eric Schiller and Edward Winter? |
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Feb-07-06
 | | ray keene: faust-interesting example-goethe was not just germanys greatest writer he was also the most prolific-i have 14 small print thick bound volumes of his complete works on my desk now-his topics ranged from
verse epics
novels
poetry
plays
to scientific writing-the theory of colour for example and the discovery of the intermaxilliary bone-he was in charge of theatre production in weimar as well as the university-to which he invited schiller -friedrich schiller-as history lecturer-goethe was also minister of works and prime minister of weimar at various times--my 130+ books pale into insignificance compared with goethes output!!if you want some recommendations for reading
goethe-faust
schiller-friedrich-wallenstein
schiller -eric best games of fischer and kasparov
keene-my book on nimzowitsch or grandmaster strategy -published by hardinge simpole yes-you can like winter and schiller too-just as we brits fought against napoleon but still admired him!! btw goethe met napoleon and was also at the battle of valmy-- |
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Feb-07-06
 | | Eric Schiller: <sleepkid> I'm a bit confused, since I have never made any big deal of how many books I've written over the past quarter century, and don't consider the number to be of any importance. I don't even keep track of it. I usually just say "lots". It has been my constant employment since 1980, though I've also done other things, and the number of books is simply a reflection of that fact. As for my best or most representative work, I think that the Encyclopedia of Chess Wisdom (in its 3rd edition), and the trilogy Standard Chess Openings, Gambit Chess Openings and Unorthodox Chess Openings, plus World Champion Openigs would be my choices. "In particular Gambit Chess Openings, the largest collection of gambits ever assembled, which took years of research. On specific openings, my books on the Tarrasch and Caro-Kann for Cardoza represent the approach I advocate for presenting information and I am very pleased with both books. Chapters of these and most of my books are available online at www.ericschiller.com. My latest book is a study guide to king and pawn endgames, using a unique (as far as I know) format involving presentation of target positions in each study. Many Chessgamers have already seen it during the proofing round. I plan to keep offering PDF proofs to members of our community, and I thank them for making each book better than it would have been otherwise. I am presently writing books for several publishers: Cardoza, Universal, Hardinge-Simpole and a new publisher launching his operation later this year. |
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Feb-07-06 | | HannibalSchlecter: I agree that if you're going to claim an author's book is bad/good you ought to back it up when challenged to expound. |
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Feb-07-06 | | sleepkid: <ray keene> I was using Faust as an example of a classic, and not neccesarily the product of a prolific author. It remains Goethe's best known work, and one which I have already read. Additionally, I believe that both Thomas Mann and Karl May were more prolific than Goethe, and I'm certain that there are many hack authors who have churned out even greater numbers of books in German. If the Eric Schiller book you are referring to is "Learn from Bobby Fischer's Greatest Games" published by Cardoza - then perhaps you should look at it again, because while not a complete disaster, it's of such poor quality as to not be worth it's $14.95 cover price. It is in fact, the volume that first made me doubt the quality of Schiller's work. Or perhaps there is another book by Schiller on Fischer that you are making reference to? As for your book "Nimzowitsch: A Reappraisal" , it was the one I was looking at purchasing. It will be interesting to see how it supplements My System and Chess Praxis, and I look forward to reading it. I take it that this is based upon, or a revision of your earlier work "Aron Nimzowitsch: Master of Planning"? |
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Feb-07-06 | | sleepkid: <Eric Schiller> In regards to boasting about the number of books one has published, it was Mr. Keene who stated above that his current publishing count stood at <around 130> and it was towards him that my comment was directed. However, as I mentioned before I was rather surprised by the poor quality of your "Learn from Bobby Fischer's Greatest Games" published by Cardoza, and this is what brought me to reflect that perhaps the rather quantitative nature of your publishing endeavours has led to some failings in the quality department. However, thank you for mentioning those other books which you consider to be among your better work. The next time I am in a book store or in a position to peruse one, I will do so, and perhaps in the future I will be able to contribute a post, a la Keene, entitled "Eric Schiller: A Reappraisal" |
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