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| Mar-31-09 | | Riverbeast: Mr. Day, I trust you saw the emails in <JonD'SouzaEva>'s post, from Einar Einarsson. The ducks have come home to roost, it seems.
Now that this book has been exposed as a scam beyond all reasonable doubt, are you now willing to do what any journalist of integrity would do...and publish a retraction of your '61MG' review (in which you said the book is real) in your next chess column? |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Ed Trice: <Riverbeast> You should know that Dr. Frank brady believes you are the one who has spoofed my email address on AOL and sent out the emails. You have "returned to the scene of the crime" by going up to him at the end of the talk and then asking him about "me" contacting him about the book. We all know it was you. He described you as a "young scruffy-looking man, possibly from New England." That's plenty of proof that it wasn't me, and it was you. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Riverbeast: <Ed Trice> I know you looked up my real identity and that it is YOU who described me as 'a scruffy young man from New England' It's also painfully obvious that you made up lies and libelous accusations toward me, as you did to Labate, once we started getting closer and closer to the truth about you. Now that Einar Einarsson has undeniably exposed you for the liar and the cheat you are.....I PRAY that you go to the police or the FBI with your b.s. desperate charges against me....So I can have you put away for good, you low life, corpse-eating scumbag |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Ed Trice: <Riverbeast> Can you start by spelling the guy's name correctly at least? His name is not "Einar". And I will forward the email sent to me by Dr. Frank Brady to anyone who emails me at GothicChessInfo@aol.com Make sure you use the letter "i" and not the lower case "L" that Riverbeast uses to spoof my email address and send out fake correspondence in my name. And if anyone wants to send me their address, i wil mail them a photocopy of the report on file with the FBI on Riverbeast. It's an active, open file.
You are the one they will be contacting. |
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Mar-31-09
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Haha, that's rich. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Riverbeast: <And if anyone wants to send me their address, I will mail them a photocopy of the report on file with the FBI on Riverbeast.> Can someone please get a copy of this report and let me know if they get it? I will give you my email address so you can forward it to me. If a false charge has been filed by <Trice> against me to the FBI, I think I will need to contact the police myself. How far do you want to take this <Trice>? I have truth on my side...You have nothing but lies...And if you want to dig yourself in deeper be my guest. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | timhortons: you guys are serious? FBI?
YOU MEAN LIKE AGENT SCULLY AND MULDER? |
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Mar-31-09
| | chancho: How does someone go from accusing another of being the perpetrator of a book scam, and the next moment is saying that the same book was written by Bobby Fischer? It's madness! |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Riverbeast: Don't bother getting me the copy of the report....On this one, I'm willing to take Ed Trice's word for it....I believe that he did in fact file this charge. Mr. Trice, I think it only fair to tell you that I have just filed a complaint myself to the FBI, informing them of the entire story, and telling them that if this charge has been filed against me, it is a false charge and I would like to prosecute it to the fullest extent allowable by law. Perhaps we'll both be contacted now! |
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| Mar-31-09 | | PinnedPiece: IMlday, I have been curious for some time about the copy of M61MGs that you purchased. Could you indicate whether or not, when you obtained your copy, any external evidence of proof of authorship was provided to you? If yes, are you able to say what?
If no, were you offered any further proof nevertheless? Simple curiosity. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | Riverbeast: And just so you know <Trice> I'm not one who usually likes to involve the police, but you've left me no choice but to fight fire with fire. I'm going to give you one last chance to get out of this before it gets ugly.....Call the FBI, retract your charge, and post proof that the charge has been withdrawn. If you do, I will not pursue this matter any further. If you don't, then deal with the consequences |
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| Mar-31-09 | | AnalyzeThis: Just wondering - when is Trice's blog going to be updated with his middle school days? |
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| Mar-31-09 | | rookhouse: <Ed Trice: <Riverbeast> Can you start by spelling the guy's name correctly at least? His name is not "Einar".> Now he's telling someone else how to spell their name. That's rich. He gets even more ridiculous when completely busted and exposed. Everyone in the entire world is lying except you, right Trice? You are finally getting everything you deserve and you're too stupid to even know the gig is up. Completely pathetic. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | MageOfMaple: <Riverbeast> I am sending my own letter to the FBI about Trice and would like to be able to communicate with you. Can you make your email address available to me? At first I thought I would post my address and wait for you to write me, but then a Trice sockpuppet could write pretending to be you and I wouldn't be able to tell... |
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Mar-31-09
 | | IMlday: <Pinnedpiece> Proof no, but information I was curious about, that UBS was glad to transfer the estate to Miyoko who had then happily set up a trust for Jinky. I score that as a happy ending.
In journalistic terms it's single sourced and necessarily anonymous information, however it would be odd for a source to make up something like that.
<Riverbeast> "beyond all reasonable doubt" you say. Golly but you sure are sure with "passionate intensity" despite some weak points in the logic: like our wounded Fischer King himself not deigning to make a decisive public comment on the rumour. He looked sad, so case closed?
Ed L. quotes Mr. E:
"...That he had supposedly written 12 pages foreword and preface dated Nov 9. 2007, while suffering in hospital is preposterous. It is therefore completely clear, beyond any doubt, the full truth and nothing but the truth, that..."
Hey wait, where did that rumour come from? Who claimed Fischer while in the hospital had written a twelve page foreward? It's not in the book. The rumour is preposterous. No one who has the book would believe the rumour.
But that rumour has nothing to do with the authorship of the book.
Perhaps someone has added their own fanciful details about when and how in order to serve as a straw man which can be easily knocked down?
Perhaps Ed L. should put up for context the letter to which Mr E. is responding. Besides that, what kind of etiquette is evident from this bit:
"He would very much like to know if somebody has ever seen a copy of it in print."
So, can we deduce that Ed L. has solicited Mr. E's opinion without informing him that somebody (me) has not only seen but read a real 3D copy in print but does not feel defrauded in the slightest? There are all sorts of unexplored possibilities.
Suppose for example Fischer had written commentary on the critical analysis which M60MG had provoked as it occurred over the years, say just stuffing his handwritten notes of rebuttal into some shoebox left in the Phillippines or Japan. He does mention some analysis was from his jail time. This variation would have the vast bulk of the labour done long before he even set foot in Iceland. It certainly wouldn't have required writing anything from his hospital bed.
Ed T. ripping off Mr. E's photograph, if true, is quite deplorable, but proof of forgery it isn't. Another possibility: Ed T. and Ed L. are the "Eds" of the book and secretly collaborating to keep up public interest in their product.. This variation was suspected by some when the authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" sued Dan Brown over "The Da Vinci Code" supposedly plagarizing their work. It made an entertaining if ludicrous court case and lots of free publicity. I don't know. I don't even know why it matters.
The ducks are down to eight undecided.
Fortunately this year there is an even number.
The male mallards helmuts go from dark blue almost flourescent to that shiny green in a fast morph.
There is also a new pair of maximus size Canada geese, her friendly, him more en guard. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | rookhouse: Wow. Somebody needs to seriously lay off the cough medicine. That's 60 seconds of my life I'll never get back. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | PinnedPiece: <IMlday>
Thanks for the reply, about "Mr E". j' suis daccord on the photo issue, was not soliciting your views there... "Mr L" has now assigned you a collaborator's role so don't expect courtesy of any kind from him. The groupies, as is evident, are not going to think for themselves on this issue. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | Riverbeast: <IMLDay> The fact that you continue, in light of all the evidence, to go through contortions of logic and plausibility in order to defend this book's veracity, seems to confirm some of the worst fears about you regarding your association with this book. You do what you want, <Lawrence Day>, and keep making your vacuous, Trice-like arguments. It's YOUR legacy, not mine....I'm just letting you know what a journalist of INTEGRITY, who did not have an apparent CONFLICT OF INTEREST, would do <MageofMaple> Thank for the offer to help but I'm not interested in collaborating on this....Trice filed a false charge against me and this is strictly between me and him |
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| Apr-01-09 | | PinnedPiece: <Riverbeast: <IMLDay> The fact that you continue, in light of all the evidence, to go through contortions of logic and plausibility in order to defend this book's veracity, seems to confirm some of the worst fears about you regarding your association with this book.
You do what you want, <Lawrence Day>, and keep making your vacuous, Trice-like arguments. It's YOUR legacy, not mine....I'm just letting you know what a journalist of INTEGRITY, who did not have an apparent CONFLICT OF INTEREST, would do> I don't see any reasoning of any kind in this post. Only emotion. This type of "argument" sways me--at least--not at all. Just what the heck does "all the evidence" prove anyway? I'd really like someone to lay it out clearly so I can match fact with theory. . |
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| Apr-01-09 | | Riverbeast: I'm not talking to you, <Pinned Piece> I'm talking to <IMLDay>. If anybody seems to be the 'groupie' here, it seems to be you....Keep defending <Day> and <Trice> all you want, but don't expect me to play along with your game...There are enough hucksters and b.s. artists to deal with here as it is |
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Apr-01-09
| | chancho: <Riverbeast> Yeah, I'm starting to think the same as you. Check what <PinnedPiece> posted in responce to something I posted in another page: <Chancho: And Trice has accused Riverbeast of pretending to be Ed Trice and contacting Frank Brady...> <Pinned Piece: Funny thing is, <Riverbeast> certainly has the balls to do something like that, but to me it is enough out of character that I believe you have the germ of a very good point...> |
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| Apr-01-09 | | PinnedPiece: <If anybody seems to be the 'groupie' here, it seems to be you....Keep defending <Day> and <Trice> all you want, > I think I see it from your point of view, finally. This should be welcome news to you. ====<Riverbeast> Algorithm for Trust=== Case 1. Agree/sympathize with Me:
:: You are rational, honest and trustworthy, dependable, and most important, Right. Case 2. Agree/sympathize with Trice:
:: You are irrational, dishonest and untrustworthy, undependable, and most important, Wrong. Case 3. Express neutrality and caution:
::Jump ==> Case 2.
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| Apr-01-09 | | Riverbeast: <Pinned Piece> You are not expressing neutrality and caution, you are also ignoring the evidence, which was substantial before Einarrson's email, and irrefutable now. I'm not worried about YOUR possible conflicts of interest...You're a bit player and a groupie as far as I'm concerned |
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| Apr-01-09 | | PinnedPiece: <Chancho> let me help you along on the "enough out of character" bit. <Riverbeast> is on a crusade against fraud. How or why could he possibly want to perpetrate one himself???? Anyone who thinks about it can see the contradiction in that. Except Trice, of course. The statement about the "nerve to do it" says I can tell he is a very determined person and fearless to a certain extent. Do I have to spell everything out for you too? |
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Apr-01-09
| | chancho: <PinnedPiece> Don't bother. I see what you are about. No need to discuss anything further with you. |
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