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Oct-28-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Ohio> understood re Devil & Strategy - I'll underscore it somehow. Talk later. <GufeldStudent> of course running a forum doesn't commit you to 'supporting' the move in question - you're still free to roam and post analysis wherever you like. The main requirements are (a) space so that others can post lines (b) willingness to copy relevant material from the main page etc and repost it (c) a final brief summary of conclusions, about 1 hour before we move. That's the pattern we've gradually come up with... do you want to try it? |
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| Oct-28-06 | | GufeldStudent: I have a forum up and running. |
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Oct-28-06
 | | Domdaniel: <GufeldStudent> - thanks - I've just been reworking my bio - apologies for the stodginess of the medium. I'll now go back and confirm you for the 21.Qf4 Ne5 22.Qg3 line. Thanks. |
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Oct-28-06
 | | Open Defence: <This is what happens when I take on too many responsibilities and go gonzo> lark raving mad maybe ? :-p |
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Oct-28-06
 | | Domdaniel: We're getting there, people.
The main move 21.Qf4 has been split into two subsections. <jepflast> is handling 21.Qf4 Ne5 22.Nxc6, and <GufeldStudent> is taking 21.Qf4 Ne5 22.Qg3 etc. (This 'split' idea is an innovation whose time has come - won't <twinlark> be astonished at our sheer inventiveness when he gets back?) Still no definite taker for 21.Qg5 - Ohio is a bit too busy this time round, so another volunteer would be nice. <OpenDefence>: Strategy Shop continues
<YouRang>: Devil's Advocate, ditto. I'll try to highlight these forums when I put a notice on the main page. <RV> - if you're here, have I overlooked any important stuff that might come up in the short term? |
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Oct-28-06
 | | Domdaniel: okay then - I'll (provisionally) put <stevens> in for Qg5, as he says in general he's happy to tackle anything. <Ohio> - you're off the hook. I'll work up something for the main page now. We can always make alterations later... |
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Oct-28-06
 | | OhioChessFan: Okay, just back. If Stevens declines, just drop a note to my forum. |
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| Oct-28-06 | | GufeldStudent: <Domdaniel>, do you have anything to add that might convince <Techdraw and Nxc6 voters> not to vote for Nxc6. My arguments seem to fall on deaf ears. |
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Oct-28-06
 | | Domdaniel: <GufeldStudent> Frankly, this is a bizarre development that has taken me by surprise. <RookFile> likes to take a campaigning politician-style approach to moves, though - when we played a4-a5 he swung it in the final ten minutes thru sheer persistence. I can only try to be fair, allocate 21.Nxc6 some space somewhere, and trust that the truth of the position will out. Campaign or no campaign, I don't think it's a threat to 21.Qf4 - they should know that Lasker-style bad/good moves don't work in CC. It _is_ the immediate Nxc6 that worries you, I assume, rather than Nxc6 on a later move? It'll probably play itself out soon - some people get bored and conjure up fantasies when our move looks too obvious. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | GufeldStudent: I am guilty of fantasy myself; the only difference is, I say that we should look at it: I don't campaign to play it. That he convinced people to play a4 (the only previous move I really disliked; I didn't really dislike f5 so much as I simply thought it was a little early) scares me. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | GufeldStudent: Sure, I will post the relevant analysis from the other forums in the morning. |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Open Defence: <monad> can't the 21.Qf4 Ne5 22.Qg3 line transpose into the Qg5 line ? so even if the votes for 21Qf4 are way ahead right now we have time to come up with the lines to convince them if that line is good ? |
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| Oct-29-06 | | themadhair: Permission to host a forum for 22.Ne4 sir. |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Monad> Read and understood. The time commitment is crazy. At least I work from home, so I'm generally at the computer anyway. And I don't have too many other commitments right now - how some people manage to juggle families and jobs and still put so much into this continues to amaze me. Please don't drop out entirely, though. At the very least, look in every 3 days and vote for whatever I tell you to. (Or Thundergod, if you prefer... smirk.) Seriously: CG won't change the rules, and it's going to be a long haul. When <twinlark> gets back I'll talk to him about job-sharing ideas. Nobody can do this full-time and stay sane - the organization alone (never mind analysis) takes up far more time than a 'real' 1-to-1 CC. I've had to neglect various projects - chess and nonchess - that I was working on a few months ago. My best advice is, find a happy medium. Don't be a drop-out and don't be a monomaniac. There must be a way of contributing (and even extracting pleasure from the process) while retaining an actual life. Sigh. Why do I always end up sounding like Marcus Aurelius? 'The emperor counsels stoic moderation', and all that. |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Domdaniel: <themadhair> Permission granted, of course. 22.Ne4 - that's after 21.Qf4 Ne5, I assume? A sort of 3-way sub-forum thang? Yet more innovations foisted on me while the boss is away. It's more than my jobs worth, but go ahead... I'm just going to catch up on the main page etc, then I'll post a forum update. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | themadhair: Cheers. I'm getting some analysis together as we type. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | mack: Still need a space for Nxc6? Just leave me a message and you're all free to romp around in my pad. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | Milo: <<whose winning?>
I won't answer that question if you use the word 'whose'. I'm pedantic about stuff like that.> No, no, I meant to ask "whose winnings are these, that I found in the slot machine?" But I got cut off mid-sentence. |
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| Oct-29-06 | | Milo: In all seriousness, this ending looks good because white can advance the b-pawn: click for larger viewBut what if the black king is on the other side?
 click for larger viewIf we do plan to trade down like this, we should obviously try to contain the black king to the king side. |
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Oct-30-06
 | | Domdaniel: <milo>
(1) They're your winnings now, having been abandoned by their previous owner. The ancient medieval law of Windfall applies ("Whose apples are these, that have fallen from the apple-tree into my pockets?") (2) I think you're broadly right. I'm not totally comfortable with the way our bishop is hemmed in on b6 in that line - but yes, advancing the b-pawn looks winning, as long as the respective king positions are okay. It would probably take the black king 3 moves to reach your 2nd diagram, by which stage ours could reach f4 or g4 or d3... This also means its not in GMAN's interests to exchange queen and rooks, so we could be in for extended maneuvering... |
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Oct-30-06
 | | Domdaniel: <All Forum Hosts>
(1) I'm not sure if there's any need to post summaries on the main page before voting closes - given that (a) the vote seems a foregone conclusion, and (b) 21.Qf4 is divided between three different forums. If anyone wants to post a summary an hour or two before voting closes, please go ahead. (2) I'll check individually with the hosts for the 3 subvariations of Qf4 - but are you all happy in principle to go on hosting those lines, at least until GMAN moves again (and possibly for our 22nd move as well?) I'm a little busy with real-world stuff today (Monday) but I'll look in when I get a chance - and I'll be back before voting closes. Thanks. |
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Oct-30-06
 | | Open Defence: <themadhair> posted this at my (the strategy <!>) forum <As a potentially important question that may arise in future - tablebases. I believe it is possible to download software that can generate custom tablebases (not that there isn't a shed load of free Nalimov ones available). It might be an idea to start creating a specific database of tablebases likely to result from the current position. We may even be able to have some specialised seven-man (or even more depending) tablebases that could give some valuable insight into potential endgame positions likely to arise from our position.Is there anybody knowledgeable in this area who could give some advice regarding this?<<>>> |
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| Oct-30-06 | | chessmoron: <OD and themadhair> First of all, 7-piece tablebases is not available to us until 2015 and up. But yes you can download 6-piece tablebases online or you can simply go here: http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=... |
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Oct-30-06
 | | Open Defence: well when it seems that the lines are leading us into the 6 man and 5 man positions.. we need to critically examine the tablebases.. also the transpositions.. gaining and losing tempo etc... |
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| Oct-30-06 | | themadhair: <chessmoron> You slightly missed my point. The 7-piece tablebases that you refer to include EVERY possible combination of pieces - including many that WON'T arise from the game as it stands. It might be possible, in theory at least, to generate 7-man tablebases containing only specific combinations of pieces relevant to the current game. How much smaller such tablebases would be I can't honestly say - but they might be a realistic possibility. I just don't have the technical knowledge needed to know how to pull it off. There must be someone on this site who knows. |
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