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Aug-01-11
 | | OhioChessFan: I agree with the stare down and crossing the pitcher's mound being major violations. Earlier this year, a Reds pitcher hit a hard line drive to right. The right fielder got it on one bounce and tried to throw the pitcher/batter out at first. He really had no shot, but it did make the pitcher, who was jogging, break into a run. I remember thinking that right fielder needed to get hit the next time he was up. |
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Aug-01-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <OCF> I have to disagree on that one. Any player who isn't hustling deserves to get shown up, and should take it as a lesson rather than an insult. |
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Aug-01-11
 | | WannaBe: nothing more embarassing than a 9-3 (or 8-3!) put out. |
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Aug-02-11
 | | OhioChessFan: Possible Caissar catergoy: Best Forum Name |
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Aug-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: That comment got me thinking about the most embarrassing mental mistakes I've seen. The most obvious are mirror images: the batter who stands at the plate to admire his home run, or just trots toward first, and then the ball stays in the park. And then the outfielder who doesn't chase a deep fly because he assumes it's a homer, and then it doesn't go out. (Just last night I almost saw something similar. Upton of the DBs hit a screaming liner down the left field line and didn't move, thinking it was foul. It was, by about four inches. What if it had landed on the line?) Anything involving not knowing the number of outs is really embarrassing: throwing to the wrong base (the Kingman example I gave), a baserunner running on a fly ball thinking mistakenly there are two outs, or not running thinking there aren't two out, a fielder not trying to complete a double play with fewer than two outs, etc. A batter popping up with a runner on first and barely jogging toward first, and an infielder drops the ball intentionally and gets a double play. I've never seen this, but I suppose missing a base during a home run trot would be pretty embarrassing. I believe there have been cases of home run hitters passing baserunners while in their trots. Fortunately for Aaron it didn't affect the outcome, but the Harvey Haddix perfect game ended with something like that. |
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Aug-02-11
 | | Phony Benoni: There is the story of the legendarily boneheaded Babe Herman hustling into third base with a triple and finding to his joy no other Dodgers already standing there. Alas, his triumph was short-lived, for the first baseman called for the ball, stepped on the bag, and Herman was called out for missing the base. Manager Casey Stengel stormed onto the field to protest, but the umpire simply said, "Oh, save your breath, Casey. He missed second too." |
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Aug-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: I have a book somewhere called "Three Men on Third" in which the title play featured Herman as well: Brooklyn came to bat in the seventh. Johnny Butler singled. DeBerry hit a two-bagger, scoring Butler. Dazzy Vance singled and DeBerry went to third. Fewster was hit by the pitcher, filling the bases. Jacobson popped out. Babe Herman now took his place at the plate. The stage was all set for the drama. Herman belted a line drive to right field and DeBerry vacated third base and crossed the plate. Vance, who had been on second, thought Herman's drive was going to be caught, and held up until he was certain the outfielder had missed it; then Dazzy started for home. He rounded third, ran halfway to the plate, decided he wouldn't be able to beat the throw-in, reversed himself and started back to third. Meanwhile Fewster was tearing around the base paths from first, arriving at the third sack about the time Vance resumed to it. They stood and looked at each other in astonishment for a few moments and then switched their attention to an even more astonishing sight. Babe Herman figured he had a double, possibly a triple, and he preferred a triple of course, and was bent upon trying to stretch it. He had his head down and was running for all he was worth, with no suspicion in his mind that a traffic jam had already developed at third. He didn't raise his head until he was a few feet from third and then when he looked up, there stood Vance and Fewster, and the Boston third baseman was just taking the throw. This third baseman, Taylor, was understandably excited. He received the throw and started tagging people. He tagged every human within reach, including the third-base umpire. Herman, however, had got himself out of range and was heading back for second. Taylor fired the ball down to the shortstop, and Herman was tagged out before he could reach the bag. http://www.amazon.com/Three-Men-Thi... |
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Aug-02-11 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony, long time no see. I have some great baseball nostalgia for you from this youtube clip from a time when baseball was The Grand Game! I hope you enjoy! ; P http://youtu.be/9uozLFsEPu8 |
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Aug-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: No matter how many times I hear it, that tape sounds great. I wonder how Scully can sound just the same after 46 years. |
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Aug-02-11 | | Travis Bickle: <Jim Bartle> lol that's the same thing I was thinking Jim. |
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Aug-03-11
 | | perfidious: <Jim Bartle: A batter popping up with a runner on first and barely jogging toward first, and an infielder drops the ball intentionally and gets a double play.> I've long been under the impression that the infield fly rule was created to eliminate precisely this play; the former utility infielder Dick Schofield Sr comes to mind as having been known for that sharp little move. Here's the Haddix moment of infamy: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... <WannaBe> The Yankee was actually Alex Rodriguez, I believe, and that no-name pitcher had a start which got him a name: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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Aug-03-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> The infield fly rule only applies when runners are on 1st/2nd or 1st/2nd/3rd. Without it, the defending team could let the fly drop and get an easy double play, since the runners would have to stay close to their bases in case the ball were caught. It's not necessary with a runner on 1st base only, because the defense could only get one out by letting the ball drop--assuming that the batter runs to first, of course. It might still be a play worth considering if Speedy McGreedy is on first and Gluefoot Lardbutt is hitting, as you can replace the faster man on the basepaths with a slower one. But apparently most teams feel it's not worth the risk of being unable to control the ball after it hits the ground. The play would not have been recommended in the Metrodome. And the idea is a bit older than Dick Schofield Sr. More like his great- grandfather; the first recorded example dates back to 1870: http://books.google.com/books?id=yi... |
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Aug-03-11
 | | Phony Benoni: I'm sure everyone is familiar with this game:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... With both pitchers going all 26 innings. But you might not know about this one, played less than two weeks earlier: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... A mere warm-up, to be sure, but talk about two guys bringing out the best in each other! |
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Aug-03-11
 | | perfidious: <Phony Benoni> The marathon is well-known to me, but that was another gem soon after. Noticed that Oeschger is buried in Colma, California-he's hardly alone, you see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colma,... As to Schofield, seems to me I was listening to a Red Sox-Angels game in the 1980s in which his son played, and the announcer discussed the former practice of letting an infield liner/popup drop. My memory is that they stated that as a result of Schofield the Elder allowing this to happen at times, the infield fly rule was created. |
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Aug-04-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> Perhaps Schofield turned a double play by droppping a line drive or bunt; they aren't considered infield flies. But the rule certainly predates him. A little more on the marathon. Apparently, it would have ended several innings sooner had May 1 1920 not been the first day of Daylight Saving Time in Boston, which meant an extra hour of sunlight. Leon Cadore seems to have found success in the stock market after retirement. Nowever, note that this article is dated <1928>. http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%... |
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Aug-04-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Looks like it didn't last. And he even married the boss' daughter! http://books.google.com/books?id=7z... |
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Aug-04-11
 | | perfidious: <Phony Benoni> In the piece on the Rubinstein display, I noticed two names: Sid Bernstein and Ted Dunst. I remember Bernstein from a couple of NY Opens in the 1980s, so he had to have been barely out of diapers then, lol. Not a long career for Cadore, with only five full seasons, and his ERA skyrocketed once the deadball era ended, along with everyone else's. Here's an article I ran across yesterday which might be of interest: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20... |
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Aug-04-11 | | Jim Bartle: There is also a rule that an infielder cannot drop a line drive intentionally to create a double play. This led to a very famous play in the 1978 World Series. Reggie was on first and the batter hit a line drive to short, which Bill Russell dropped. He stepped on second and then fired toward first. Reggie was standing just a few feet off first and stuck out his butt to block the throw. The umps did not call interference on Jackson, though it was obvious. And Russell was not called for dropping the liner, perhaps because of his reputation as a lousy fielder. It really wasn't clear whether he dropped it on purpose. |
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Aug-04-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> That's rule 6.05l: <(l) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases;APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies.> Obviously, a fielder is not going to let line drives go untouched, but the play would be possible on a bunt. For Russell, the umps must have invoked the "intentionally" clause. <perfidious> I've been going through the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle> looking for details and games from the Western Championships, and it is fascinating to watch now familiar names slowly creep into the reports. I've already seen Fred Reinfeld a few times, and just came across Reuben Fine for the first time in a junior tournament at the Marshall in 1929. |
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Aug-06-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Speaking of Babe Herman, the middle of the page has a picture of him in his prime; 1930 would be his best season: http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%... He looks about right. |
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Aug-06-11
 | | Phony Benoni: The Bad News: 2nd baseman Dan Uggla of the Braves is hitting .215 for the season. The Good News: He's on a 26-game hitting streak.
The Answer to your Question: .173. |
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Aug-06-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Bill Bergen stands alone!
http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/ne... |
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Aug-08-11 | | crawfb5: A quick update -- I have decided to continue US championship coverage up to just prior to Fischer's first win in 1957. I have started collecting and uploading games (the new meta collection: Game Collection: US championship tournaments (meta)). We now return you to your regularly scheduled baseball discussion. |
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Aug-11-11 | | wordfunph: <Phony Benoni> much appreciated :-) just went through your 11-page games collection --- simply astounding! hope you share your system of searching K vs K games, thank you.. |
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Aug-12-11 | | wordfunph: <Phony Benoni> thank you very much, yodaman! :) |
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