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Jul-25-16
 | | Phony Benoni: There must have been teams with dual closers, but I can't think of an example offhand and it is surely rare. But why not, if both guys buy into the idea? Egos could be involved, of course. Especially Rondon, who doesn't seem to have lost the closer role and could consider it a snub. Some batting average splits with both pitchers:
Rondon: vs. RHB, .134; vs. LHB, .224
Chapmean: vs. RHB .181, vs. LHB .167.
Obviously nobody hits either very well, but that's a significant difference in Rondon's stats. |
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Jul-25-16
 | | saffuna: How far do you want to go back? In the past there were teams with several pitchers who would finish games. The Cardinals did have Sutter and Fingers at the same time. Traded Fingers a couple days after getting Sutter, though. I really don't like the current closer strategy (last inning, with the lead, three runs or less). I think the pitchers themselves want saves too much. |
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| Jul-25-16 | | Party Animal: Yo Phony, we got the Whitesux in a four game series, 2 games @ sox park & then 2 at Wrigley. Wish me luck would ya? ; P P.S. Didn't the Reds have 2 closers in Rob Dibble & another guy I can't think of? |
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Jul-25-16
 | | WannaBe: <Party Animal> It was actually 3 relievers, Dibble, Charlton, Myers. In the 1990 season, Myers had 31 saves, Dibble 11, Charlton 2. Dibble and Charlton probably had their saves when Myers needed a day off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty...; |
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Jul-25-16
| | saffuna: Dibble and the guy when Dibble was suspended. About even between the two. |
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| Jul-25-16 | | Party Animal: <WannaBe> Thx Bugs! |
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Jul-25-16
 | | perfidious: Talk about a longshot coming good: those '90 Reds were a piece of work. Had never known till now that, despite an unremarkable 91-71 record, they led the NL West from wire to wire. Difficult to believe, really. |
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Jul-26-16
| | WannaBe: Toronto acquired San Diego's Upton Jr. The 'funny' thing is, them two teams are playing each other (Yesterday and today). So... Just across the field to the other locker room! =)) |
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Jul-26-16
 | | Penguincw: I still remember when he was known as B.J. Upton.
But well, Jays can't trade Bautista, and with his demands (like $30 million/year), they're probably going to need an outfielder for next season (Jays were also considering Bruce). Jays still have some concerns before the deadline, notably a bullpen addition (and maybe a starter too). I also think that maybe adding a catcher (who can also play some infield positions, if need be) might not be a bad idea, as if Martin goes down, Jays have Thole. I know batting shouldn't be the biggest concern for a catcher, but he's hitting .157 on the season. I believe Indians also have a catcher (Yan Gomes) who is struggling at the plate (I heard Lucroy is available). |
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Jul-26-16
| | WannaBe: <Penguincw> You should see the batting average for Dodgers' two catchers. Horror show. AJ Ellis .190
Y. Grandal .209
YIKES!! |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: That sent me to the Dodgers stat page.
The team is 9th in the NL in runs scored. Grandal really isn't that bad, despite hitting .200. He's walked a lot and has hit 13 homers. It looks to me as if Adrian Gonzalez who hasn't hit anything like the star he is supposed to be. .284 with only 9 homers. OK but nothing great for a first baseman. Then there's Puig who's been terrible, Kendrick who have been just OK. Not much production from the outfield. The only real bright spot is Corey Seager, who is hitting great for a shortstop. |
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Jul-26-16
| | WannaBe: Ozzie Smith .262
Corey Seager .306
Put the kid in HoF already. =)) |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: Don't know quite how to take that, how you meant it. And I don't know how good Seager is in the field. But he is hitting far better than the average shortstop this year. He's hitting like a decent outfielder or first baseman, and that's a huge advantage. Colorado SS Trevor Story continues to hit, with 27 HRs and 69 RBIs. |
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Jul-26-16
| | WannaBe: <saffuna> Take it as a joke, it's Corey's rookie year... |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: Well, I hope he maintains this level. We need good players. Seager looks similar to Tulowitzki in 2007, and he had six or seven really good years. Looks like he's fading a little now. |
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Jul-26-16
| | Penguincw: < WannaBe: <Penguincw> You should see the batting average for Dodgers' two catchers. > Alright, I'll give you that. But according to this page (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.j...), looks like the Indians' catchers (Yan Gomes basically) struggle the most to hit for average. The Tigers (<PB>), and Rays also don't seem to have good offensive catchers. The Nats have the catchers with the best average (Lobaton and Ramos), but they're contenders, so they're not going to trade away 2 experienced players. The Brewers are next. <saffuna: Not much production from the outfield. > Not to mention Carl Crawford's .185. On the bright side, he's hitting .364 in the minors this year (is he related to Sam Crawford by any chance). < And I don't know how good Seager is in the field. But he is hitting far better than the average shortstop this year. He's hitting like a decent outfielder or first baseman, and that's a huge advantage. Colorado SS Trevor Story continues to hit, with 27 HRs and 69 RBIs. > A few days ago when Story beat the "NL HR record for a rookie shortstop", I thought to myself, why shortstop? Does it really matter what position? But then I realized that shortstop is a difficult position to play, and that SS are probably there because of their glove rather than their bat. |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: The position a player plays matters a lot when evaluating hitting stats. Shortstops, second basemen, catchers and to some extent third basemen have to be much better fielders, so they are drawn from a smaller number of players, and therefore fewer great hitters. Most backup outfielder can hit better than a typical shortstop, even fairly good-hitting shortstops. |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: Let's imagine a rightfielder with a 20-year career who hit .275 with 400 home runs and 1650 RBIs. That looks like a borderline Hall of Famer, very likely not going to be elected on the first ballot. Those are the hitting stats for one of the top twenty or thirty players of all time, Cal Ripken. He was an excellent shortstop for many years (very strong arm, got to lots of balls), then played third base well for more years when his range decreased. His hitting is great because he played a key defensive position. |
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Jul-26-16
| | perfidious: Till Eddie Mathews came along, third was regarded as, first and foremost, a defensive position: long as you made the plays, even after the deadball era, you could hit .250 with no power and be regarded as a decent player. Pie Traynor on the outstanding Pirates teams of the late 1920s was an anomaly, and when Harlond Clift came along, he played in a backwater, so it made no difference that he posted nice numbers for a little while. Can anyone really imagine hitting .260 with no power or speed and trying to be a regular 3B today? |
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| Jul-26-16 | | Party Animal: Mr Benoni, the Cubs lost to the whitesux last night by 1 run. Hey Phony, this was the 1st inning of last night's Cubs Sox game. Can you explain how this fat lard a$$ caught this ball to rob Bryant of a homerun?? : O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgF... |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: <pa> Low fence. |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: <perf> There was also Al Rosen of Cleveland in the early 50s. A good power hitter for five years. |
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Jul-26-16
| | perfidious: <saffuna> Pity injuries brought Rosen's career to a premature end; he could have produced for another few years. |
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Jul-26-16
| | saffuna: I don't know much about Rosen as a player. He was a very successful general manager of the Giants, building a winning team with Roger Craig as manager, taking them from last place to one division championship and one pennant. |
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| Jul-26-16 | | Party Animal: <saffuna: <pa> Low fence.> LOL!! |
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