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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: Stafford 31-39? |
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Sep-12-16
 | | keypusher: <Phony Benoni: Note for posterity: When I made this kibitz earlier, it had a typo in it which I would rather not have preserved. <WannaBe>, Thanks for pointing it out, but I would appreciate it if you deleted your response as well.> Now I'm going to spend the rest of my life wondering what the hell the typo was. Gase picked up where Philbin left off...actually I thought the Fish looked better than expected. Well-coached. But oh, Kenny Stills, that was one of the worst drops I can remember. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | keypusher: By the way, PB, I know this is late, but congratulations on your well-deserved award. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Phony Benoni: <keypusher> Thanks. As for the typo, just anagram "CMU" and I think you'll figure it out. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: Well, so much for my SEA and ARZ wagers, can you believe, all the road teams that traveled two time zones or more covered the spread, and 2 out-right won the game?? |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: LAD goes to NYY for 3 game series, tonight will be Jose De Leon v Bryan Mitchell. Definitely not Koufax v W. Ford or Drysdale v J. Bouton |
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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: No kidding. DeLeon went 2-19 one year, and besides, he's 55 years old. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: <saffuna> Nah, his cousin Ponce found some magic water, he's only 45. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: I hope Ponce found some control as well. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Phony Benoni: De Leon would probably be one of the last members of the Montreal Expos still around. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> All the rest died?!!? Already?? |
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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: Had to find out how DeLeon was allowed to go 2-19 with Pittsburgh in 1985. The team was 57-104. DeLeon started 25 games, had a 4.70 ERA, and received 2.30 runs per start. Hard to win with so few runs, but he must have had really bad luck as well. Why didn't they replace him when he had lost 10 or so? Apparently they didn't have anybody better. The Pirates had five pitchers who started 20 games that year (OK, one had 19), and all had ERAs over 4.00, except for Reuschel, who was at 2.27. Pirates gave up the second most runs and scored the second fewest runs. Strangely, Houston gave up the third-most runs playing in the toughest hitters park in the majors and still had a winning record. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: <All the rest died?!!? Already??> There's one former Expo still playing. Hit a home run this year. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Phony Benoni: These days, it takes a pretty good pitcher to lose 20 games in a year. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | saffuna: Oh baloney. I could do it easily, if they'd only give me a chance. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Phony Benoni: No way would I lose 20 games. In fact, it I ever got out there, I can assure you my pitches would be unhittable. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: Speaking of 20:
<Eddie Matz
ESPN Senior Writer
Nats SS Danny Espinosa just became the first switch-hitter in MLB history to join the 20/20 club. And by 20/20, I mean 20 homers and 20 HBP's in the same season. Now that's history.> |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Penguincw: < Phony Benoni: These days, it takes a pretty good pitcher to lose 20 games in a year. > Looking it up, the last pitcher to lose 20 games in a season was Mike Maroth (9-21, 5.73 ERA). Despite leading the league in losses, he led the team in wins... His team: DET 2003 (43-119). |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: Barring a complete collapse, I think Koufax have this game in the bag over W. Ford. 7-2 LAD over NYY bottom 8th. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: In other gnus, something funny is going on in St.L. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: Cubs need 3 more outs for no-no. Top 9th, ChiCubs at bat. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: Never mind. |
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Sep-12-16
 | | WannaBe: This is pretty scary, ChiCubs first 5 pitchers: J. Arrieta 17-6, 2.91
J. Lester 16-4 2.51
K. Hendricks 15-7 2.03
J. Hammel 14-8 3.50
J. Lackey 9-8 3.35
What do you do? Put Hammel & Lackey in the 'pen for play-offs? Three men rotation? |
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Sep-12-16
 | | Phony Benoni: You don't have to remind me of the 2003 tigers. Lord, what a team. Going into their final four game series against Division winning Minnesota they had 117 losses, with a good chance to tie or eclipse the Mets' record of 120 losses in 1962. They lost the first two games, then fell behind 8-0 in the third.. Nothing daunted they stormed back, and scored the winning run in the bottom of the inth when Alex Sanchez walked, stole second and third, then scored on a dropped third strike. You don't appreciate how weird that was. Alex Sanchez walked about as often as Mike Maroth won a game. Specking of Maroth, the Tigers trotted him out for the finale, won again, and the Mets popped the champagne corks. So perhaps I should have explained my statement of the two campers whose was threatened by an angry bear. Fred got ready to run. George quickly put on his shoes. "Why are you wasting time putting on your shoes?", said Fred. 'You can't outrun a bear!" "I don't have to,", replied George. "I just have to outrun you." So, to lose 20 games, maybe you don't have to be a pretty good pitcher. You just have to be better than anyone else available. |
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Sep-13-16
 | | saffuna: Following a bad team can be fun if it has young players with potential, but I don't see a single future star on that 2003 Detroit roster. Maybe Fernando Rodney, who only pitched 29 innings and walked 17 batters. An example of the better side of following a poor team was the A's when they first came to Oakland. They had won only 62 games their last year in Kansas City in 1967. But they had a good young pitching staff and several good young players (Reggie, Campaneris, Monday, Bando). They went from 82 wins to 88 to 89 to 101 to 93 and the World Series with the same core of players and new ones brought up from the farm system (with the exception of Holtzmann and Epstein, who was pretty much a castoff). Not a single free agent. |
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