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May-29-10
 | | Phony Benoni: http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/ne... Thankfully, it doesn't look like a severe injury. He never lost consciousness, and tests at the hospital are negative. |
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| May-29-10 | | Jim Bartle: Halladay perfect, one out in the ninth. |
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| May-29-10 | | chessmoron: mission accomplished. |
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| May-29-10 | | Jim Bartle: Got it!! |
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May-29-10
| | Phony Benoni: Good grief, this is getting to be routine! |
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| May-29-10 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony The Hawks take game 1, 6-5!! 1 down & 3 to go! |
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May-30-10
| | Phony Benoni: It was probably going to happen sometime, somewhere, but you still hate to see it: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametr... |
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May-30-10
| | Phony Benoni: I seem to be into the highlights tonight. Well, here are the "Top 5" plays from Friday night. http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/vi... I find it unbelievable that Crowe's catch was ranked #2 behind another boring walk-off home run. |
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| May-30-10 | | Jim Bartle: The Kendry Morales "celebration" reads like an article from The Onion, in fact I would be surprised if it weren't sometime in the past. I also remember a few years ago when a quarterback--not one of the famous ones--celebrated a touchdown by slamming his helmet against a concrete wall, and injured his neck. |
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| May-30-10 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> How do you get an injury like that if you're not fooling around with steroids? Steroids make your bones brittle. I remember when Ron Hassey mysteriously turned into this great hitter with muscles all over the place. And then one day one of his biceps popped loose and rolled up his arm like a window shade. Ugh! |
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May-30-10
 | | keypusher: <JimBartle>
That would be the well-traveled Gus Frerotte, the man who put "journey" into "journeyman." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdWK...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Fr... |
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| May-30-10 | | Jim Bartle: Right. Gus Frerotte. Sort of the Mike Morgan of the NFL. I'll say this--you've got to be a pretty good player (if not especially intelligent, as we've seen) to be a long-term backup quarterback. The problem is, almost all these guys eventually become starters somewhere. Some make it (Rich Gannon), some flop (Scott Mitchell). Don Strock, long time backup to Bob Griese and others, is known as the one guy who played well as a sub but never broke his cover by becoming a starter. |
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May-30-10
| | Phony Benoni: The Tigers got Max Scherzer in a trade over the winter, but he's been a bust so far with an ERA well over 7.00. They sent him down to Toledo to work on his mechanics, and brought him back today. He got 14 strikeouts in 5 2/3 shutout innings. (He came out after a walk, an HBP, and 113 pitches on a hot day.) Forget about any of the players down at Toledo. Bring up the pitching coach! |
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May-30-10
| | Phony Benoni: <Travis> Sorry, forget to congratulate you on the Black Hawks win. Go Western Division! Just beware of the Jinx of Marián Hossa. |
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May-30-10
| | keypusher: <I'll say this--you've got to be a pretty good player (if not especially intelligent, as we've seen) to be a long-term backup quarterback.> You're right, of course. Anyone good enough to hold down a roster spot in the NFL for a decade is ridiculously good by any sort of objective measure. People who went to high school with Frerotte probably thought he was the greatest QB who ever lived. Sort of like when Player X gets called a "weak grandmaster" on this website. What would happen to any of us if we had to face Player X? Strock is an interesting guy, particularly if you're a Dolphin fan. I don't know how much of his career path was the result of there not really being true free agency for most of his tenure and how much was him deciding he had a good gig. I think he got pretty frustrated backing up Woodley, but he was quite happy to back up Marino. Curious fact -- two of the worst super bowl quarterback performances ever were turned in by Shula QBs -- Morrall in III and Woodley in XVII. Marino in XIX certainly underperformed. So do you just feel sorry for Shula, or do you put some of the blame on him? Re Woodley, he has a claim to be the worst starting QB in the history of the Super Bowl, so it's hard to blame Shula for his performance. I only wish Shula had yanked him at halftime. Griese had the horrible 20 yard sack in VI, but performed credibly in VII and VIII. <phony benoni> I wonder if the Yankees are considering shipping Joba to Toledo... |
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May-30-10
 | | chancho: How quickly they forget Tony Eason's
0 for 6 in Super Bowl XX. :-) |
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May-30-10
| | keypusher: <chancho: How quickly they forget Tony Eason's
0 for 6 in Super Bowl XX. :-)>
Wow, I sure did. But not ESPN: <In 2008, ESPN ranked Eason's performance as the worst (82nd out of 82) in the history of the Super Bowl, noting, "In addition to his awful passing stats, he lost a fumble and not surprisingly was yanked in the second quarter."> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_E...
Of course, Colt and Dolphins fans could only wish that Morrall and Woodley had been yanked in the second quarter. Plus Eason was up against probably the scariest defense there ever was... He had his best year as a passer the year after the Super Bowl, I was surprised to learn. |
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May-30-10
| | Phony Benoni: I don't believe it. Eason was worse than Garo? |
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May-30-10
| | keypusher: <phony benoni> Good point! 0-1, 1 INT returned for a touchdown...tough to top. Or bottom. But they only ranked one QB per game per team. Here's the list, or at least the second half of it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playo... Lowest ranking by a winning QB: Johnny Unitas, #76 for V. He ranks one ahead of Craig Morton for V, who also holds down #81 for Super Bowl XII. I remember people said Morton had finally won a Super Bowl for the Cowboys. So Scherzer was in for 17 outs, and 14 of those were by strikeout! Two hits, four walks, one HBP, 113 pitches...the Tiger fielders must have been bored out of their minds. |
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| May-31-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Phony Benoni: <Travis> Sorry, forget to congratulate you on the Black Hawks win. Go Western Division! Just beware of the Jinx of Marián Hossa.>
Thanks Phony. With Hossa three's a Charm!!
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| May-31-10 | | Travis Bickle: <keypusher: <chancho: How quickly they forget Tony Eason's 0 for 6 in Super Bowl XX. :-)> Wow, I sure did. But not ESPN: <In 2008, ESPN ranked Eason's performance as the worst (82nd out of 82) in the history of the Super Bowl, noting, "In addition to his awful passing stats, he lost a fumble and not surprisingly was yanked in the second quarter.">
Don't forget Eason was facing Buddy Ryan's 46 defense of The Chicago Bears in Superbowl XX!! The greatest defense ever assembled!!! |
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| May-31-10 | | Jim Bartle: Quite something to see both quarterbacks from 1971 among the ten worst. There's a reason that game was called the Blunder Bowl from the moment it ended. I could never see Craig Morton as a starting QB in the NFL. He was a star at nearby Cal when I was in junior high, so everybody followed him carefully. He just never seemed to have the decision-making skill to be a top player. |
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May-31-10
| | keypusher: The account of Super Bowl V in wikipedia makes for entertaining reading...I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_...
As is well known, Lilly threw his helmet in the air in disgust as the game ended...someone said "it's a good thing it didn't come down near the Cowboy receivers, or they would have dropped it." Morrall had the best performance at QB for either team, but even so he threw an interception in the Cowboy end zone and also missed on a fourth down pass at the goal line just before halftime. From the Look How Far We've Come Department: the halftime entertainment was the Southeast Missouri State College Marching Eagles + Anita Bryant. |
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May-31-10
| | keypusher: One more observation: in those days, offensive holding was a 15-yard penalty measured from the spot of the foul. The Cowboys were taken from the Colt 49 to their own 27 by a holding penalty. So holding on a pass play could be an absolute drive killer. A big reason teams ran so much back then. I think they reduced the penalty for holding to 10 yards in 1978, but does anyone know when it stopped being a spot foul? Sorry to sully this page with so much football, pb. |
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| May-31-10 | | Jim Bartle: Don't know about that change.
Not sure of the time of the changes, but since 1972:
--pass blockers can now extend their arms to block rushers. Previously they had to keep their arms in at the chest.
--defensive backs can only hit the receiver once, and that in the first five yards. Back then dbs could hit receivers as many times as they wanted, until the ball was thrown. Under 1972 rules a 50% completion rate was considered good. Today nothing less than 60% is considered good. Different rules. |
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