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Jan-05-11 | | technical draw: Wow! Thanks <JB>. I guess people thought he paid enough since this was his second try. En buena hora, Roberto Alomar. |
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Jan-05-11 | | technical draw: Alomar is the 3rd Puerto Rican inducted The other 2 being Roberto Clemente and Orlando Cepeda. Do you think Juan Gonzalez has the numbers? |
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Jan-05-11
 | | OhioChessFan: It remains the greatest mystery of my life that people can discuss rap seriously. |
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Jan-05-11 | | Jim Bartle: My impression is that Gonzalez had enough really big years for the Hall of Fame, but not enough good years. But that may be a mistake. I certainly look at Jeff Bagwell as a Hall of Famer, and it looks like he's not getting in because of suspicions with no evidence of steroid user. Yet Bagwell and Gonzalez had really similar career stats, except Bagwell walked a lot more. |
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Jan-05-11 | | technical draw: <JB> I just checked Juan Gonzalez' stats and he seems to be a little short in the numbers for an "automatic" entry. (500 home runs, 1500 RBI's and .300 career avg. over 12 years) Anyone with those numbers are almost automatically inducted. Gonzalez seems to be agonizingly short. |
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Jan-05-11 | | Jim Bartle: I think it also helps to be identified with one team, preferably a winning team. Gonzalez played mainly with Texas, but also moved around a little, and Texas didn't win when he was there. A similar case will come up in four years, Gary Sheffield, a player with the 500 HRs, 1600 RBIs, and a lifetime .290. But he bounced around from team to team (a couple of them winners), and that will hurt his chances. |
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Jan-05-11 | | technical draw: Right <JB>, name recognition is very important just ask Edgar Martinez! |
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Jan-05-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Edgar Martinez has to fight against the DH rap as well. I remember the year Juan Gonzalez played with the Tigers. Came in with great promise, but suffered through a number of minor injuries and turned out to be a cancer in the clubhouse. He was a free agent at the end of the year, and the Tigers were glad to be rid of him. That's what happened for the rest of his career. He'd come in with high expectations, play one or two years, then back to free agency. To some extent, that was Sheffield's problem as well. And didn't they both have steroid suspicions? Gonzalez's career certainly flamed out in a hurry. As for Roberto Alomar's spitting incident, that would have hurt only if he had spit in the face of a sportswriter. |
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Jan-05-11 | | Jim Bartle: Sheffield certainly grew a lot more muscular (as did many players), but the suspicions came mainly from being Barry Bonds' training partner for years. |
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Jan-05-11 | | Jim Bartle: Watched part of the San Antonio-Boston game tonight. What a pleasure to watch two really good teams, playing hard but clean. Great stuff. |
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Jan-06-11 | | technical draw: Here is an interesting article on Edgar Martinez and the numbers game. Plus the DH controversy.: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20... |
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Jan-06-11 | | Travis Bickle: Hello Dr Benoni, JB, A.G. Argent, and all you sports fans!! Hey...I just thought of it, don't forget to vote for Travis Bickle for The Caissar Award for Best Avatar at Wannabe's Forum. Have a wonderful day. ; ) Travis |
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Jan-06-11 | | Travis Bickle: Here's a song to all you wonderful guys & gals at Phony's House!! Wayne Newton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m_g... |
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Jan-06-11 | | Jim Bartle: I think it would be fine if DHs were elected to the HOF. Plenty of players (non-pitchers) are in solely on their hitting, playing despite being lousy fielders. Ted Williams is the first name that comes to mind, and I've read Rogers Hornsby was absolutely terrible in the field. So a non-fielder isn't that much of a difference. Martinez certainly was outstanding every year from 1995 throught 2001. Still I don't see his career totals as good enough who didn't contribute in other ways. 2200 hits? 1300 RBIs? Really good but not great. |
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Jan-06-11 | | playground player: So a lot of people are already feeling nostalgia for rap music? Who would've thought? <Phony Benoni> I don't think I understand Hall of Fame voting anymore; maybe I never did. But if I had a vote, I'd vote for Edgar Martinez. If there were such a list, I'll bet he'd be very high on the list of guys nobody wanted to pitch to. |
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Jan-06-11
 | | chancho: Here's my opinion about rap:
Faith Hope Charity
To Each His Own
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udS...
Oh, I like rap btw... |
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Jan-06-11 | | Jim Bartle: "So a lot of people are already feeling nostalgia for rap music? Who would've thought?" Or as the song by Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks asked, "How can I miss you When you won't go away?" |
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Jan-06-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Well, the good news is that if people are feeling nostalgia for rap music, it must be turning into a thing of the past. The bad news is that things can only get worse. Murphy and entropy, don't you know. Yes, when it comes to pessimism, I'm a true optimist. |
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Jan-06-11
 | | chancho: <Yes, when it comes to pessimism, I'm a true optimist.> lol |
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Jan-06-11 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony I thought you liked Wayne Newton? ; P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a4c... |
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Jan-06-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <Travis> You're bringing back memories of my childhood. My family owned the original album containing that song, and I got to listen while it was played until the grooves fell apart. Some things do get better, I guess. |
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Jan-07-11 | | Jim Bartle: Wayne Newton.
I have simply never understood Wayne Newton. As far as I can tell, he became successful as a boy or boyish man who sang in a high, girlish pitch. He was popular but not extraordinarily so. Then he began to do shows in Las Vegas, and has played there for many, many years without playing anywhere else, and without having any notable recording success, certainly no new hit songs. I never saw any particular talent in him, certainly no more than Steve Lawrence or Vic Damone or Pat Boone (well, maybe more than Boone) or a dozen other male singers. Yet he has been lionized for many years, venerated almost as if he were another Sinatra. I just don't understand. |
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Jan-07-11 | | technical draw: I agree 100% with <JB> on Wayne Newton. One of the great mysteries of show business. He was always a "middle aged" couples favorite Las Vegas visit. Why? I don't know. Outside of Vegas he would probably be just a local or maybe statewide singer with some talent. Maybe there's a mafia connection here? |
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Jan-07-11
 | | chancho: Wayne Newton Danke Schoen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m_g... |
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Jan-07-11 | | Travis Bickle: <technical draw> TD I think you hit the nail right on the head. Newton goes way back to the 50's, when the mob ran Vegas before the corporations took over, (which could be the mafia legitamized). At one time Newton owned race horses before his bankruptcy? I think the outfit set him up for life, like quite a few others. |
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