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| Sep-27-18 | | Boomie: <Susan Freeman: Support first. Here second if that doesn’t work> Oops. I'm too slow. Feel free to delete my last post. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: I didn’t even see that spelling error. I should not post before my first cup of coffee. I do not want Sargon to crack the whip. I want a more laissez faire atmosphere
Within reason and within the guidelines of course. |
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| Sep-27-18 | | Boomie: <<Susan Freeman: Support first.> The problem has been that Support Forum suggestions were being buried under irrelevant nonsense. I tried posting public service announcements suggesting that the Support Forum be left for support issues. That seemed to work for about a day and then they started up again. We need a place where our suggestions will not be buried under all that crap. Else how will we know if they have been noticed by the admins or not? |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: A small thing, but it would be helpful: When a poster deletes a post there should be a note that it was deleted. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: Sargon states he will work on the junior and British tonight. Well, this is all new to Sargon, and I think he is doing an amazing job. He is brilliant and energetic. I appreciate everyone’s understanding and patience during this shocking transition. The fact that Daniel kept everything heavily encrypted doesn’t help. So many good people here. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: But if a post is deleted how do you know which post. Unless you did it. Deleting a post should be rare. They are always done by the poster. In other words you can’t delete someone else’s post. Does this really matter? And what would you say. Such and such post is deleted. Who? What? If nobody read it in the first place. Confusing to be sure |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: Boomie. Yes. That’s why I am here. :) |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: If a post is deleted the page can just say "post deleted by saffuna." The evidence is still there.
Many times I have replied to a post, the post has been deleted, and then that poster has accused me of making things up. Something I would like to see re-stated forcefully is that posters should refer to other posters by their proper usernames or abbreviations.
Derisive nicknames should be prohibited.
I certainly have used derisive names for others, but I'm ready to stop. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Annie K.: <saffuna: A small thing, but it would be helpful: When a poster deletes a post there should be a note that it was deleted.> Jim, you are trying to change a very long-standing user privacy status quo here. Please... not the entire administration is new and unaware of what the magnitude of this "small" change would be. :) |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: That is just a matter of respect. Good point.
Re the deleted posts. Some websites have a policy that if you had a reply to a post you may not delete it. I will make a note of both of these. Thank you |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: Just saw Annie’s response. We will have to confer. I just noted what other websites do. But we are not other websites. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: Just thinking. If you post something and have 10 repsonses and then delete it. The responses remain and there is no continuity. Are we splitting hairs here re privacy? Sometimes you can post something and quickly delete it with the thought that it could be better expressed. That makes sense. But if you have a thread and then decide to withdraw the original post , well that just seems arrogant to me. And antagonistic
I am open to suggestions. Please |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: <annie> At least twenty times I have replied to somebody's post, then that person has deleted that post and accused me of making up what the other person said. Most of these concerned Wesley So.
There should be some way to avoid this in the future. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | OhioChessFan: <Some websites have a policy that if you had a reply to a post you may not delete it. > FWIW, I agree with that. The problem is that posts here are not nested, so determining if there was a response is a bit dicey. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: I delete posts all the time, to correct typos (or my spellcheck!) or improve the wording. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: I like dicey :) maybe we need to nest them? Danny opened a website for me re heart failure advice and I wanted that. He never complied.
I makes for more continuity. Easy to ignore. Hmmm |
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Sep-27-18
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: As others have noted, the big difference between other websites and Chessgames is that most other websites with discussion forums allow editing posts. Chessgames does not, which means that users who want to edit a post have to do it by deleting and re-posting. A lot of "post deleted by x" markers would be unnecessary spam simply indicating an edited post. (The reason Chessgames does not allow editing is for the same reason <saffuna> would like deleted-post markers: to cut down on revisionism, as Daniel explained at chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #3537).) <But if a post is deleted how do you know which post. Unless you did it. Deleting a post should be rare. They are always done by the poster.> Not in chessforums; the owner of a chessforum can delete anybody's posts there. (And yes, unfortunately some chessforum hosts have abused this privilege for the purposes of revisionism.) <saffuna> does have a good point, though I'm not sold on "post deleted by x" markers as the solution. At a minimum, though, all deleted posts (including those that share their reply ID with another post) should be permanently logged so they can be recovered by the administrators if necessary. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: Saffuna I do also. But I do it immediately. I think everyone does that. Sometimes things come out wrong and I think wait. This could be misunderstood. The internet is ripe for misunderstanding. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | OhioChessFan: I am aware of the situation with the person deleting posts on the So page and I think <saffuna> is over-worried that other people didn't know what was going on. At a bare minimum, you can always see that <some> post was deleted by holding your cursor over the date of whatever posts are on the page and seeing if the series of kibitzes are sequential. If they aren't, then some post has been removed. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: < Saffuna I do also. But I do it immediately. I think everyone does that. Sometimes things come out wrong and I think wait.> Me, too. (no #) I can't remember how many times I've seen an error, often an embarrassing one, and rushed to delete and correct it before someone can call attention to it. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | OhioChessFan: Another hint for <saffuna> and all. If you think someone is prone to delete, then cite the reply # of the kibitz within the body of your kibitz. If that #kibitz disappears, then you have made a pretty good case. As an example, my previous post was "reply 70". I said within the body of that post "I am aware of the situation with the person deleting posts on the So page". So in this kibitz, I could say,
"As OhioChessFan said in reply 70, I am aware of the situation with the person deleting posts on the So page." and that makes a real strong argument for the existence of those words in reply 70 if reply 70 were to magically disappear. And every kibitzer could check to see that it had in fact disappeared by holding their cursor over the datestamps of the various posts. I hope I am explaining this well. It's rather simple but I'm not sure if I'm getting the point across. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | saffuna: <Another hint for <saffuna> and all. If you think someone is prone to delete, then cite the reply # of the kibitz within the body of your kibitz. If that #kibitz disappears, then you have made a pretty good case.> Definitely. But sometimes I forget. And sometimes the poster still claims I made it up if I quote it. Again, this has been restricted mainly to discussions about Wesley So, especially Wesley So vs. Magnus Carlsen. |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: OCF. It sounds logical but a bit of a pain. 😊 |
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Sep-27-18
 | | Susan Freeman: This is a free speach issue that has gotten magnified. Interesting |
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| Sep-27-18 | | Boomie: Couldn't deleted posts be recovered from the Wayback machine? I haven't used it so somebody else will have to verify this. But this way deleted posts could be recovered without CG doing anything. |
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