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| Jan-30-07 | | chessmoron: My top 2 picks:
Najdorf:
1. 6.Bc4
2. 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qb6 (Poison Pawn) |
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Jan-30-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Oops, in my earlier post I mistakenly wrote about 6...Qb6 where I meant 7...Qb6 (after 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4), sorry, I only realized it after <chessmoron> posted it. I think I'm going to go with the Najdorf (5...a6) as well. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | Zebra: So I guess I should qualify what I said about black being able to get a Scheveningen after 5...a6. In the most popular white continuations (6.Bg5 or 6.Be3/f3), Nc6 does not seem to be approved for black. Against Fischer's 6.Bc4 or the classical 6.Be2 it is OK. Not being a Najdorf player, I was thinking mainly of the last two variations. I don't know if that is important for anybody. For me it simply means that after 5....a6 I would very likely be out of theory more quickly than I thought, though that is not necessarily a problem. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | hitman84: You can always count on Moro to come up with a new idea in the opening :) Leko vs Morozevich, 2001
A brilliant game by Leko!
M W Dejmek vs M Sana, 2004
This line was first suggested to me by User: gus inn Black can go for long castling.
I play this line...
Opening Explorer The b5 line is not good for black. I played some games in this line against <AdrianP>. He used this line to beat me. B Vuckovic vs Nakamura, 2002
As you can see its very difficult for Black to win. Nakamura barely manages to win the game. Here is an improvement in the line for black.
K Spraggett vs P Fogel, 2007
If you are going for the poison pawn its alright. It'll be a learning experience for me. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | Marco65: Morozewitch openings often need a warning sign: "don't try this at your chessclub". Anyway, I appreciate people posts so many games I'll never have the time to catch up with, but I think at this stage it's still a matter of personal taste. I'd rather like people who know najdorf and dragon well to tell us the main ideas behind those openings. For the time being, I'm in favour of dragon but won't cry if a najdorf is decided. But I'm against scheveningen. |
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| Jan-30-07 | | Zebra: I agree with Marco that it is mainly a matter of taste at this point, so I will go for 5 ...g6. If it turns out that we play the Najdorf instead, then I look forward to learning. |
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Jan-30-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> If I'm allowed to borrow your list, the updated version would be something like this: Najdorf: <Rocafella>, <Jessica>, <chessmoron>, <TheAlchemist> Undecided: <hitman84>, <dakgootje> Dragon: <Marco>, <TTLump>, <swapmeet>, <Zebra> So, it's a tie right now. Although some have only a slight preference for one or another, it's still a difficult call. How do we make the final decision anyway? :-) There's still no rush, though, we have enough time until tomorrow. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | hitman84: I vote for Najdorf!
Mainly because the Dragon theory is just too deep.
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| Jan-31-07 | | Rocafella: a6 eh people |
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| Jan-31-07 | | dakgootje: As both Najdorf and Dragon are fine with me, and my undecided-alley has moved to Najdorf, I think that is going to be the variation. However, I'd like to place 1 sidenote. As undemocratic as it seems, I am not totally sure my vote should count as heavy as the one much more advanced on the subject of opening theory. Therefore, for the variation I do not think there needs to be looked solely at amount of votes, but aswell to experience of the specific player in the specific opening and overall playing strenght. If my opinion is labeled too undemocratic, it's fine with me, and I won't - for the sake of even amount of votes - vote for the dragon, but I'd just want you guys to take it into consideration. |
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Jan-31-07
| | TheAlchemist: <dakgootje> You make some very good points. I'll try and respond on how I ee it. First of all, you are right about the whole experience/strength. In this case, however, I feel that in principle we're choosing between two sound and good openings, and it seems as the Najdorf is to the majority's liking as opposed to the Dragon. Second point, some people who have voted for the Najdorf were actually against the Dragon or very strongly for the Najdorf, as opposed to the ones who voted for the Dragon, where all have expressed their slight preference for the Dragon but wouldn't mind a Najdorf. This leads me to believe that most of us are more familiar and comfortable with the Najdorf than with the Dragon. And last but not least, we have many more games with the Najdorf in the database, being played by the top players, so that may become very useful. Anyway, I'm thinking of posting the move 5...a6. I'm not going to do it just yet, so last minute pleas are still accepted and in fact welcome. This move will be very important in determining the game from now on, so if anyone has any second thoughts, please come forward now, or forever hold your peace. Or something like that... :-) Ok, I'm going to shut up now. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | Zebra: I am also happy enough with the Najdorf, since that's the way the scales are tilting. I am unlikely to have theory to contribute (depending which continuation white chooses), but will give it my best shot. I think in general it is important to work for a consensus rather than simply calling a vote count, though no doubt that sometimes has a part to play. Actually I like the way <The Alchemist> has been doing exactly this. In any case I think the opening phase is a bit unusual with the number of subjective choices involved. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | Rocafella: <and my undecided-alley has moved to Najdorf> Good to hear from you too as well dak lol |
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Jan-31-07
| | TheAlchemist: I have posted 5..a6. I know it can never be to everybody's liking and I'm sorry if someone's disappointed with it. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | Marco65: <The Alchemist> I'm part of those "slightly in favour" to the Dragon, so let it be Najdorf. And let's see if Be3 or Bg5 (or Bc4) is played. I wouldn't rely too much on databases anyway. I hope someone among us has a good recent book on Najdorf, or commented games. Databases mean nothing if we can't tell what was right from what was wrong, otherwise we just assess moves "by result". I have nothing specific, but Sam Collins's Understanding Chess Openings has some good pages to explain the ideas behind, definitely not enough to play it with Black with confidence, but a perfect introduction for people who never played it like me. There are main variations only, but explained move by move. After our opponents' next move I'll try to scan and OCR that text if anybody is interested. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | brankat: <<Jan-31-07 <TheAlchemist>: I have posted 5..a6.>> So did You post it on Jan.29 or Jan. 31?
Sleep deprivation? The strain of the battle is taking its toll after 5 moves? A ruse of war? Whatever it may have been, I tried to have it straightned out. Check it out in my forum. THank You. |
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| Jan-31-07 | | TTLump: I was one of those slightly in favor of the Dragon, however I feel like <dakgootje> that my vote should not count as heavily in the opening because of my lack of in-depth knowledge and experience with specific openings, so,I am happy with 5... a6. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | Zebra: So, we are the knights who say Najdorf...
I echo <Marco>'s comments about the need for some good books, or on-line resources. (Can anybody recommend any good Najdorf books generally?) White has quite a few options now. I will start looking at 6.Bc4 and 6.Be2 - not that I think they will be played, but they are the only ones I have anything on. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | Zebra: <After our opponents' next move I'll try to scan and OCR that text if anybody is interested.> That would be great. At least then I might stand some chance of following the conversation... |
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Feb-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: Maybe this could be helpful, I'm not sure, maybe just as an intro... http://chesscoach1977.blogspot.com/... |
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| Feb-01-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> That link doens't work for me |
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Feb-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Marco> If I click on it, it doesn't work as well. Try opening it in a new window (right click-open in new window), it worked for me. Now it even works by just clicking on it. Weird. |
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| Feb-01-07 | | Zebra: It doesn't work either way for me :( |
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Feb-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> Even if you try opening it in a new window? I don't know, I found it through yahoo, maybe it works there: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=si... number 22 |
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| Feb-01-07 | | Zebra: No, not even then :( . Never mind, I will see what I can find. |
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