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Mar-17-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Marco> see my post above yours-- <e5> is our best move now-- <Qa4> later. The order of these moves is SUPER important!! |
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Mar-17-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Marco> main problem with your analysis here is they are SURE to play <18.h6> after we play <Qa4> unless they are retarded... No reason whatsoever to protect their Knight with <18.b3> since <18.h6> not only indirectly protects their Knight, it makes problems-- real problems-- for us on Kingside-- Please take a good close look at the lines I posted above yours... Jess |
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Mar-17-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Actually, the <knight sac> line I posted if we play <Qa4> now is even worse than I said. After the position in my last FEN, we develop our bishop with tempo <Bg5+>, but we CANNOT recapture their bishop on <f8> cuz then they get our other rook- <Qxa8> Please, for the love of God, let us play <e5> now!! |
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| Mar-17-07 | | chessmoron: 17...Qa5 is of course playable but I'm not completely understand it. 17...e5 is pretty straightforward and we should play it. |
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| Mar-17-07 | | Marco65: <jessicafischerqueen> Great analysis, of course I posted before seeing it. Maybe a computer would say that knight sac is unsound, but among humans it might be risky enough to wish to avoid it. Btw, as expected my analysis WAS flawed: 17...Qa5 18.b3 Bb7 19.Kb1 e5 20.fxe5 and Nxe5 was forced (20...dxe5 21.Qxd7 Rfd8 22.Qg4) After 17...e5, 13.Qd3 should be good for us, as is 18.Qd2 Qa5 19.b3 Bb7 20.fxe5 Nxe5 21.Bg2 Bc6  More likely is 17...e5 18.fxe5 dxe5 19.Qd2 where I think White can be better, although 18...Bxg5 might be interesting... All very complex as usual, hope the night will bring advice! |
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| Mar-17-07 | | Marco65: <jessicafischerqueen> I think you forgot our rook is in b8 and not a8. Never mind, I don't like too much our position either. |
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Mar-17-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Marco> thanks, that's embarrassing to post the rook in the wrong position. Yeesh. But you do see the wisdom of playing our <e5> now? After they play <h6> we have to play it anyway, and as I demonstrate they will NEVER play <b3> since <h6> also protects their Knight and does a whole lot more. <a4> is a good spot for our Queen, just not this move!! |
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Mar-17-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Jessica> I think that in your line if we recapture on f8 in any way, Bc4 kills us, so that line is actually lost for us, I think. Maybe 19...Nxe5 is better than 19...dxe5? Qa5 might be played a little later, e.g. 17...e5 18.fxe5 dxe5 19.Qd2 (as Marco said, we were threatening Bxg5) and 19...Qa5 now? |
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Mar-17-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Captain> At present, I belive <18...dxe5> is not only safe, but preferred. However, I will look in to the <Bc4> problem next. Most important is that we play <e5> next move, for all the reasons posted above... Will be back with more analysis on the <recapture on e5> problem later... GOOOOOOOO TEAM!!! |
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| Mar-17-07 | | TTLump: After looking at all the excellent analysis here, I am parking my vote at 17...e5, since I may not get a chance to look at this again before the move is due. Great work guys and gals! |
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Mar-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Captain> Yes, the <Knight sac> line I posted is suicide for us- We cannot recapture on <f8> because <Bc4> threatens checkmate. So we know what NOT to do there.
Dearly hoping that we'll all vote <e5> next move, now I'm going to investigate <19...Nxe5 v. dxe5> |
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Mar-18-07
 | | TheAlchemist: A little off topic, but I'm really excited about it, I posted my first correspondence win in the Nxf7 Traxler at Beer, if anyone's intersted. |
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Mar-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: OUTSTANDING, CAPTAIN!!!
Heading over to BEER for a look--
<Traxler>? That some kind of <Star Trek> opening? TEAM HUDDLE- our Captain scores first correspondence victory!!! whoo hoooooooooooooo |
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Mar-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Captain>- preliminary findings... <19...Nxe5> is definitely playable, I think. Still sthink <19....dxe5> is a little better, but they are different-- the differences are very subtle and have to do with their pawn advance and keeping our King safe-- very, very complex stuff- Will try to post some lines later... Bottom line, tho: both are Sound in the sense of Safe. The diff. is in what kind of PLAN we want to follow, pursue, try for.. etc. |
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| Mar-18-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> Congratulations! Btw is Nxf7 good? I've always played Bxf7+ with White against the Traxler, that leaves White with an edge without all the risks of the other variation |
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| Mar-18-07 | | Zebra: What exactly is the Traxler? |
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Mar-18-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5, named after Karel Traxler and his famous victory Reinisch vs Traxler, 1890 <Marco65> I've also faced Bxf7 a few times, this was the only time with Nxf7, but I have won all games so far (of course with players of about my playing ability). I have analyzed the Nxf7 line in the past quite extensively and although I forgot most of it, I still enjoy playing such lines very much. |
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| Mar-18-07 | | Zebra: <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5, named after Karel Traxler and his famous victory Reinisch vs Traxler, 1890> Ouch! |
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| Mar-18-07 | | Marco65: Back to our game, after 17...e5 18.fxe5 I don't like neither 18...Nxe5 (I prefer our knight on c5, and we lose control of b6), nor 18...dxe5 19.Qd5 (when ...Bb7 is not available). But 17...e5 18.fxe5 Bxg5 19.exd6 Bf6! gives us excellent compensation for the pawn, e.g. 20.Qd2 Qa5 21.b3 Nb6! I vote 17...e5 |
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Mar-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Marco> Nice! Lemme check out them new lines you posted on my board... your sac idea is to get a devastating attack on their King. I will explore this idea as well. |
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Mar-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: bTW there are 5-6 votes for <17...e5> (thank God) but I think we should not post move early-- we can use the extra time for analysis. |
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| Mar-19-07 | | Marco65: In favour of 17...e5 jessicafischerqueen, chessmoron, TTLump, myself and (I think) TheAlchemist. Where is the rest of the team? Please even if you find that there is already a majority for the move you like your feedback would be much appreciated... |
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| Mar-19-07 | | hitman84: I vote <Qa5>. |
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| Mar-19-07 | | Zebra: I also prefer Qa5, leaving ...e5 until we are forced to. |
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| Mar-19-07 | | Marco65: <Zebra> <hitman84> Please have a look at previous analysis by Jessica with contribution of TheAlchemist. 17...Qa5 seems to be risky, and since our plan after 17...Qa5 was to play ...e5 in any case, we'd better play it NOW. |
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