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| Apr-30-07 | | mckmac: Sorry,I just saw the new deadline listed. |
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| Apr-30-07 | | Marco65: Thanks for the timeout. I will be able to catch up with your analysis in an hour or so. <TheAlchemist> Of course you are right about 26...d5 27.Nxd5 Kh8? 28.Nxe7, I just thought that can be met by 28...Qxe7 :-) Also, good find 26...a5 27.Qd4 Bg2 28.Qxe5!
But I still find it hard to understand how 26...Qe8 can ever be better than a "null" move, are we in a sort of zugzwang? I'm still looking for alternatives. See you later |
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| Apr-30-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> 30.Bc5 Rxf1 31.Qxf1 Bxb3 32.Bxd6 (instead of 32.Rxd6) secures the exchange for White also in this line |
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| Apr-30-07 | | Marco65: Couldn't find anything better. Maybe 26...Qe8 is objectively best, but I think it's trivial for White to win the exchange. In such lost positions I prefer "hope chess": let's play 26...d5 and hope they don't do everything right up to 30.Bc5 |
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| Apr-30-07 | | ganstaman: <TheAlchemist: <ganstaman> Hi, thanks for stopping by! I didn't notice the spelling error until you pointed it out, thanks a lot, really. I must have started it two years ago and didn't notice the whole time, stupid me.> I'm generally bad at spelling myself (just look at my username here), so I definitely wouldn't think anyone stupid for missing 1 letter. Besides, if I hadn't tried to search for the collection, I never would have noticed either (and I've played through many parts of that collection already). |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65: <mckmac> 30.Bc5 Rxf1 31.Qxf1 Bxb3 32.Bxd6 (instead of 32.Rxd6) secures the exchange for White also in this line> Sheeesh,sorry about that,another dumb miss wasting everyone's time - I've got to learn how to examine properly in these sorts of positions. <Couldn't find anything better. Maybe 26...Qe8 is objectively best, but I think it's trivial for White to win the exchange.
In such lost positions I prefer "hope chess": let's play 26...d5 and hope they don't do everything right up to 30.Bc5> While there is still some time left - is there anything anyone thinks needs to be chased down some more? I will have 2-3hrs tonight.What about alternate first moves again - are we sure <Zebra's> 26...Bf6 doesn't work.What about 26...Nd3+,26...Nf3,26...Ng4,26...Rxc2+,26...Bxc2 etc.Are there any intermezzos in any 'deciding lines' we might have missed. We need a quick fresh look at everything before agreeing to accept disadvantage/roll the dice imo. |
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| May-01-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> Yesterday night before saying that I examined ...Bf6, ...Bg5, ...a5, ...h6, ...g6, ...Qb8 the last one seemed the only to have some merit. Of course saying that is useless without posting analysis, but it was 1.30 am and I needed to sleep. Unfortunately I'm afraid I won't be able to analyze again before the deadline. But I will check if you post something else. Sorry |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <Team>> 26...Nf3 : Has anyone looked at this move? I think there is a way through for Black here (best reply 27.Rxf3 imo) but I can't quite nail it down.Can anyone save me some time? 
click for larger view Position after 26...Nf3 |
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May-01-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <mckmac> 26...Nf3 27.Rxf3 Bxf3 28.Bxf7+ Kxf7 29.Rf1 perhaps? Or maybe 29.Qf2? |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65> No worries mate,look in when you can. |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <TheAlchemist> <26...Nf3 27.Rxf3 Bxf3 28.Bxf7+ Kxf7 29.Rf1 perhaps? > I agree - also 28.Rf1 do you think? |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <TheAlchemist> 26...Nf3 27.Rxf3 Bxf3 28.Rf1 Rxb6?! 29.Bxf7+ Kxf7 30.Rxf3+ Bf6 31.Bxb6 Qxb6 32.Qd5+ Ke7 ( 33.Re3+ Be5 ) ...still down the exchange for a pawn - but at least we are 'active'. |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <TheAlchemist> Brankat's page says we have 3 timeouts left.Is that up to date? |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: OK - I see your page says 2 timeouts left.I vote we take one of them. |
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: How about the immediate 27.Bxf7 Kxf7 28.Qe2 Rxc2+ 29.Qxc2 Bxc2 30.Rxf3 Kg8 31.Kxc2 Bg5 32.Bxg5 Qxg5
click for larger viewWe might even survive this if we are tenacious enough. Their king is wide open for a possible perpetual. 33.Rdf1 g6 and our king will run for cover on h6 <mckmac> 27.Rxf3 Bxf3 28.Rf1 and how about 28...d5! 29.Nxd5 Bxh5! or 29.Rxf3 Rxf3 30.Qxd5+ Kh8 31.Qxf3 Rxb6 32.Bxb6 Qxb6 and it's surely a draw: 
click for larger viewI don't think they would fall into 28.Rf1, though.
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: <I vote we take one of them.> I was thinking of that too. We can't afford to screw up now. |
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| May-01-07 | | Marco65: I would agree with another timeout, although my contributions lately come from late night when I'm so sleepy and are therefore more and more inaccurate... But I found an analysis saved on my palm about 26...Qb8 that seems intersting, but I don't trust it without another night of analysis! |
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| May-01-07 | | Zebra: I think a timeout is a good idea too. |
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: Ok, we'll take another timeout, but we can't keep doing that forever :-), we'll have to make a decision. So far, I find 26...Qe8 and 26...Nf3 the most appealing or "the least bad" :-) |
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: I have already called for another timeout, just so that I won't forget. |
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| May-01-07 | | chessmoron: <TheAlchemist> <Zebra> <Marco65> <mckmac> Please please please do not vote for 26...Nf3 27.Bxf7+ Kxf7 28.Rxf3+ Bxf3 29.Qf2 
click for larger viewThis position does not look good for us at all.
Please reconsider 26...Qe8. Ciao!
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <TheAlchemist> Second timeout called and noted thanks. < So far, I find 26...Qe8 and 26...Nf3 the most appealing or "the least bad" :-)> At present,I slightly favor 26...d5 over 26...Qe8.We do need an overview on 26...Nf3 - I am spending my time on this move but will also have another look at 26...Qb8.Let's keep a tight communication,when, and if possible. :) |
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| May-01-07 | | mckmac: <chessmoron> We overlapped posts.I think you might be right. |
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: Re: <26...Nf3 27.Bxf7+ Kxf7 28.Rxf3+ Bxf3 29.Qf2> 29...Bf6 30.Qxf3 Rxb6 31.Bxb6 Qxb6 is (almost) as good as most other suggested lines. My feeling is that we have to choose a line where White has the most chances to go wrong (or has only one move that keeps his advantage), not what's objectively best. Objectively we are worse, maybe (although I don't think so) even lost, only a comp can say, but we can still "bluff" our way out of it. What we are looking for is a "Lasker-like" move or series of moves. |
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May-01-07
| | TheAlchemist: Re: <26...d5>
I stick with my previous analysis. Even if I didn't find the most precise moves, I don't see any significant improvements: 26...d5 27.Nd5 Nd3+ 28.Kb1 Bxd5 29.Qxd3 Rd6 30.Bc5 Bxb3 31.Bxd6 Rxf1 32.Rxf1 Bxc2+ 33.Qxc2 Qxd6 34.Qc4+ Kh8 35.Qc8+ Bd8 36.Qd7 (white can for instance deviate with both 32.Qxf1 and after Bxc2 he can play Kxc2, I don't see anything better for black) |
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