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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | moronovich: Thank you very much for your answer <alexmagnus>! Much appreciated. | 
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Post-Communist (except USSR, China): 
 1. Rapport 2747
2. Wojtaszek 2739
 3. Topalov 2736
 4. Duda 2730
 5. Le 2726
 6. Navara 2724
 7. Almasi 2687
 (Rausis 2685)*
 8. Leko 2674
 9. Laznicka 2667
 10. Berkes 2666
 
 *Rausis publicly admitted cheating and is under investigation. Latin America:
 1. Cori 2686
2. Granda Zuniga 2644
 3. Bruzon Batista 2643
 4. Mareco 2640
 5. Iturrizaga Bonelli 2635
 6. Bachmann 2633
 7. Delgado Ramirez 2612
 8. Leitao 2605
 9. Flores 2604
 10. Cordova 2599
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Nordic/Baltic: 
 1. Carlsen 2882
2. Grandelius 2691
 3. Kovalenko 2654
 4. Hammer 2635
 5. Tari 2634
 6. Nielsen 2617
 7. Andersen 2603
 8. Hellers 2601
 9. Agrest 2583
 10. Neiksans 2577
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Middle East: 
 1. Firouzja 2702
2. Amin 2692
 3. Gelfand 2686
 4. Rodshtein 2684
 5. Nabaty 2673
 6. Salem 2668
 7. Maghsoodloo 2656
 8. Ipatov 2650
 9. Sutovsky 2643
 10. Adly 2636
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Alpine: 
 1. Ragger 2683
2. Lenic 2644
 3. Milov 2598
 4. Borisek 2584
 5. Bogner 2569
 6. Skoberne 2567
 7. Pelletier 2563
 8. Fontaine 2554
 9. Pavasovic 2546
 10. Dragnev 2535
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Old guard: 
 1. Anand 2756
2. Kramnik 2753
 3. Topalov 2736
 4. Svidler 2729
 5. Sadler 2692
 6. Adams 2690
 7. Almasi 2687
 8-9. Gelfand 2686
 8-9. Ivanchuk 2686
 (Rausis 2685)*
 10. Leko 2674
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Superstitions: One-third of all world champions had 7-letter long names. Here's a list of the top players with 7-letter long names.
 1. Carlsen 2882
2. Caruana 2818
 3. Aronian 2765
 4. Kramnik 2753
 5. Rapport 2747
 6. Topalov 2736
 7. Svidler 2729
 8. Gelfand 2686
 9. McShane 2682
 10. Korobov 2679
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| Aug-02-19 |  | Count Wedgemore: Goldsby. | 
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | saffuna: <One-third of all world champions had 7-letter long names. Here's a list of the top players with 7-letter long names.> How about a best player for each number of letters in the name? 10: Polugaevsky
9: Capablanca
 8: Kasparov
 7: Fischer
 6: Karpov
 5: Anand
 4: Euwe
 3. Tal
 2. So
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | beatgiant: <Saffuna> Here is the per name length Aug. 2019 list. By convention, I count only letters, not spaces or hyphens. I stopped at 14 because it seems like a lot of work to find who's the top player with a 15-letter name.
 2: So 2776
3: Wei 2727
 4: Ding 2805
 5: Vidit 2705
 6: Anand 2756
 7: Carlsen 2882
 8: Grischuk 2759
 9: Andreikin 2743
 10: Mamedyarov 2764
 11: Harikrishna 2738
 12: Kasimdzhanov 2657
 13: Anton Guijarro 2678
 14: Vachier-Lagrave 2778
 
 As for your all-time list, Polugaevsky is 11 letters. How about Rubinstein for the 10-letter spot? Of course in any cross-era list, there can always be different opinions... like who was greater, Lasker or Karpov? | 
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| Aug-02-19 
  |  | saffuna: I can't even count??? 
 Yes, Rubinstein is much better.
 Your list is current players. I was thinking historical. | 
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| Aug-02-19 |  | diceman: <beatgiant: <Saffuna>
Here is the per name length Aug. 2019 list. By convention, I count only letters, not spaces or hyphens. I stopped at 14 because it seems like a lot of work to find who's the top player with a 15-letter name. 2: So 2776
3: Wei 2727
 4: Ding 2805
 5: Vidit 2705
 6: Anand 2756
 7: Carlsen 2882
 8: Grischuk 2759
 9: Andreikin 2743
 10: Mamedyarov 2764
 11: Harikrishna 2738
 12: Kasimdzhanov 2657
 13: Anton Guijarro 2678
 14: Vachier-Lagrave 2778>
 
 2: So 2776
3: Wei 2727
 4: Ding 2805
 5: Vidit 2705
 6: Anand 2756
 7: Carlsen 2882
 8: Grischuk 2759
 9:  AlphaZero
 10: Mamedyarov 2764
 11: Harikrishna 2738
 12: Kasimdzhanov 2657
 13: Anton Guijarro 2678
 14: Vachier-Lagrave 2778
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| Aug-02-19 |  | Count Wedgemore: Here are some other great 7-letter chess personalities: TheTurk 
Houdini
 Maróczy
 Menchik
 Goldsby
 Saffuna
 Diceman
 Freeman
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| Aug-13-19 |  | diceman: <alexmagnus: To people who like to pose Elo inflation: how do you explain the advances in other sports, where the measure of strength is objective?> The measure may be "objective" but it doesn't account for other changes. (Sports Science/Technology/Other)
 This highlights a few of the changes:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CO... | 
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| Aug-18-19 
  |  | alexmagnus: <Sports Science/Technology/Other> So, what changed in snooker? | 
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| Aug-20-19 |  | diceman: <alexmagnus: <Sports Science/Technology/Other> So, what changed in snooker?> 
 First let me say I don't know how to play snooker, so my thoughts are a guesstimate based on 9-Ball/8-Ball matches I've seen. I'm not exactly sure how much play is required to win. Let me also say, I think it's a bad metric, because you can have a different quantity of players contributing, and lower rated century
breaks look just like higher rated player century breaks. I was only able to find data from: 2014 to 2019. If you take the century breaks divided
by the amount of players contributing
 you get:
 
 2014: 3.17
2015: 3.38
 2016: 3.58
 2017: 3.22
 2018: 4.00
 2019: 4.35
 
 So even though century breaks went from
58 to 100, it only averaged an increase of 1 per player involved.
 If you look at the contribution by the
top 5 players you get:
 
 2014: 63.16%
2015: 62.74%
 2016: 52.33%
 2017: 55.41%
 2018: 54.76%
 2019: 48.00%
 
 While some of this is due to the fact that "5" is
a larger percent of a smaller group of contributors,
it doesn't explain all the movement. In general the
lower ranked players are contributing more.
 Think of chess where 1800's become masters,
IMs become GMs. Chess is getting better, but
 it doesn't impact the top elite players.
 
 So I think more players being able to make
century breaks, along with lower ranked players getting better
is what's driving the increase in century breaks.
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| Aug-20-19 |  | diceman: While not exactly the same, (player results vs tournament results)
 
 I was able to find a you-tube video
with the top 15 snooker player century breaks by date:
 Jan 1975:
 Top 5: 67.84%
Mid 5: 23.62%
 Low 5:  8.54%
 
 You can see that players 11 through 15
contributed almost nothing compared
 to the top 5.
 
 Fast forward to,
 Jan 2019:
 Top 5: 46.55%
Mid 5: 28.05%
 Low 5: 25.40%
 
 The lower players contribute enough to
lower the contribution of the top players.
 (My guess is top players flat-line like
 elite Grandmaster ratings)
 
 I would imagine this weighting also
happened in the World Championships,
 because it's the top players who would qualify.
 
 This is probably due to more money, more interest, and more international
players entering the game. | 
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| Aug-25-19 
  |  | alexmagnus: <diceman> 
 That doesn't explain the fact that the player with most centuries today scores nearly as many centuries as the entire chapionship did in the 1980s (the record for most centuries in a world championship by a single player is 16, set by Stephen Hendry in 2002. That's more than the overall number of centuries in each championship before 1985 save for 1983, which had 18 overall centuries - and the 20 mark wasn't surpassed until 1991). | 
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | beatgiant: September 2019 
 Post-Communist (except USSR/China)
1. Rapport 2752
 2. Wojtaszek 2739
 3. Topalov 2736
 4. Duda 2730
 5. Navara 2724
 6. Le 2708
 7. Almasi 2687
 (Rausis 2685*)
 8. Leko 2670
 9-10 Laznica 2667
 9-10 Saric 2667
 *Rausis publicly admitted cheating and is under investigation.
 Latin America:
1. Cori 2676
 2-3.  Bruzon Batista 2644
 2-3. Granda Zuniga 2644
 4-5. Bachmann 2633
 4-5.Mareco 2633
 6. Iturrizaga Bonelli 2626
 7. Delgado Ramirez 2615
 8. Cordova 2610
 9. Leitao 2606
 10. Flores 2602
 
 Nordic/Baltic:
1. Carlsen 2876
 2. Grandelius 2691
 3. Kovalenko 2674
 4. Hammer 2635
 5. Tari 2630
 6. Nielsen 2617
 7. Andersen 2603
 8. Hellers 2601
 9. Agrest 2583
 10. Neiksans 2577
 
 Middle East:
1. Firouzja 2702
 2. Amin 2699
 3. Gelfand 2686
 4. Rodshtein 2684
 5. Salem 2675
 6. Maghsoodloo 2664
 7. Nabaty 2658
 8. Ipatov 2650
 9. Sutovsky 2643
 10. Tabatabaei 2642
 
 Old Guard:
1. Anand 2765
 2. Kramnik 2753
 3. Topalov 2736
 4. Svidler 2729
 5. Adams 2694
 6. Sadler 2692
 7. Almasi 2687
 8-9. Gelfand 2686
 8-9. Ivanchuk 2686
 10. Kamsky 2685
 (Rausis 2685)*
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | beatgiant: I have decided not to do the Alpine category this month. Reasons: - It's a lot of work.
 - I doubt the list has a lot of fans. Most of the players are under 2600. - Depending on how Brexit proceeds, in the future we may include Switzerland in some kind of "semi-EU" list with the UK and Norway. I was also planning to kill the "Superstitions" category, but changed my mind after getting all the responses last month. It turns out there really are fans! I'll post a new superstition below. | 
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | alexmagnus: I add my usual ones: 
 European Union:
 1. Giri 2780
2. Vachier-Lagrave 2774
 3. Rapport 2752
 4. Wojtaszek 2739
 5. Topalov 2736
 6. Duda 2730
 7. Navara 2724
 8-9. Adams 2694
 8-9. Howell 2694
 10. Sadler 2692
 
 Former Soviet Union:
 1. Nepomniachtchi 2776
2. Mamedyarov 2767
 3. Karjakin 2760
 4. Grischuk 2759
 5-6. Aronian 2758
 5-6. Radjabov 2758
 7. Kramnik 2753
 8. Artemiev 2746
 9. Andreikin 2741
 10. Vitiugov 2732
 
 Former British Empire:
 1. Caruana 2812
2. So 2767
 3. Anand 2765
 4. Dominguez 2763
 5. Harikrishna 2746
 6. Nakamura 2745
 7. Vidit 2718
 8. Xiong 2707
 9. Shankland 2705
 10. Amin 2699
 
 Asia:
 1. Ding 2811
2. Anand 2765
 3. Yu 2763
 4. Harikrishna 2746
 5. Wang Hao 2726
 6-7. Wei 2721
 6-7. Bu 2721
 8. Vidit 2718
 9. Le 2708
 10. Firouzja 2702
 
 Born later than the world champion:
 1. Caruana 2812
2. Ding 2811
 3. Giri 2780
 4. So 2767
 5. Yu 2763
 6. Rapport 2752
 7. Artemiev 2746
 8. Duda 2730
 9. Wei 2721
 10. Vidit 2718
 
 Nuclear powers:
 1. Caruana 2812
2. Ding 2811
 3. Nepomniachtchi 2776
 4. Vachier-Lagrave 2774
 5. So 2767
 6. Anand 2765
 7-8. Yu 2763
 7-8. Dominguez 2763
 9. Karjakin 2760
 10. Grischuk 2759
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Superstition of the month: Awesome Alliteration Gioachino Greco! Adolf Anderssen! Alexander A. Alekhine! Richard Reti! Throughout chess history, great GMs with alliterative appellations have enlightened us with excellent examples of the execution of... oh, forget it, here's the list. To be eligible, a player must have first given name starting with the same letter as surname (or the equivalent in the player's culture). 1. Yu, Yangyi 2763*
2. Rapport, Richard 2752
 3. Matlakov, Maxim 2716
 4. Shankland, Sam 2705
 5. Dubov, Daniil 2699
 6-7. Areshchenko, Alexander 2675
 6-7. Salem, Saleh 2675
 8. Sjugirov, Sanan 2662
 9-10. Guseinov, Gadir 2654
 9-10. Sevian, Samuel 2654
 
 * Earns the A.A. Alekhine triple alliteration bonus (Yu, Yang, Yi). Honorable mentions:
Le, Quang Liem 2708: Near miss - the second part of the given name alliterates with the surname.
 Sethuraman Panayappan Sethuraman 2624: If he ever makes the top 10 alliteratives, he earns the Alexander Alexandrovich Alekhine "name based on patronymic" bonus. | 
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | beatgiant: Does anyone here understand how Vietnamese names work? A quick check on wikipedia tells me that the order is surname, middle name, given name, in which case Le, Quang Liem should be number 4 on my list. | 
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| Sep-01-19 
  |  | beatgiant: On a little further research, I'm convinced that Liem is Le's given name. Here is the corrected Awesome Alliteration list. 1. Yu, Yangyi 2763
2. Rapport, Richard 2752
 3. Matlakov, Maxim 2716
 4. Le, Quang Liem 2708
 5. Shankland, Sam 2705
 6. Dubov, Daniil 2699
 7-8. Areshchenko, Alexander 2675
 7-8. Salem, Saleh 2675
 9. Sjugirov, Sanan 2662
 10-11. Guseinov, Gadir 2654
 10-11. Sevian, Samuel 2654
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| Sep-02-19 
  |  | alexmagnus: <beatgiant> 
 Yu is not the only triple alliteration in your list. Dubov is another one (Daniil Dmitrievich). | 
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