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May-07-19
 | | alexmagnus: <Correlation does not imply causation.> I don't say it does, I just hate those "do you believe Fischer would be number 4 today?" rants. Why not? In most sports the top player of 1972 would not be even number 400 today. |
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May-07-19
 | | Diademas: True. Jesse Owen is still regarded as one of the greatest sprinters In history. His personal best on the 100 meter dash was 10.3 seconds.
A time that I guess has been surpassed by a few thousand people since.But he still was a great sprinter! :) |
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May-07-19
| | Diademas: In short: I think we agree. Players perform on a higher level today than in 1972, but that is not reflected by their Elo-rating |
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May-31-19
| | alexmagnus: June:
European Union:
1-2. Vachier-Lagrave 2779
1-2. Giri 2779
3. Topalov 2740
4. Wojtaszek 2737
5. Rapport 2735
6. Navara 2734
7. Duda 2729
8. Jones 2709
9-10. Howell 2692
9-10. Sadler 2692
Former Soviet Union:
1-2. Grischuk 2775
1-2. Nepomniachtchi 2775
3. Mamedyarov 2774
4. Artemiev 2761
5. Radjabov 2759
6. Kramnik 2753
7. Aronian 2752
8. Karjakin 2748
9. Svidler 2737
10-11. Vitiugov 2727
10-11. Andreikin 2727
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Anand 2767
3. Dominguez 2760
4-5. Nakamura 2754
4-5. So 2754
6. Harikrishna 2734
7. Shankland 2717
8. Jones 2709
9-10. Amin 2707
9-10. Vidit 2707
Asia:
1.Ding 2805
2. Anand 2767
3. Wei 2741
4. Yu 2738
5. Wang Hao 2737
6. Harikrishna 2734
7. Bu 2729
8. Vidit 2707
9. Li 2698
10-11. Le 2694
10-11. Wang Yue 2694
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Ding 2805
3. Giri 2779
4. Artemiev 2761
5. So 2754
6. Wei 2741
7. Yu 2738
8. Rapport 2735
9. Duda 2729
10. Shankland 2717
Nuclear powers:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Ding 2805
3. Vachier-Lagrave 2779
4-5. Grischuk 2775
4-5. Nepomniachtchi 2775
6. Anand 2767
7. Artemiev 2761
8. Dominguez 2760
9-10. Nakamura 2754
9-10. So 2754 |
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May-31-19
 | | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
Whoah, you added <nuclear powers>! I'm still planning to post some of my lists (with certain revisions as suggested above). |
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May-31-19
| | beatgiant: "Post-communist" (except former USSR and China). Includes Vietnam and former Yugoslavia. Excludes Germany. 1. Topalov 2740
2. Wojtaszek 2737
3. Rapport 2735
4. Navara 2734
5. Duda 2729
6. Le 2694
7. Almasi 2687
8. Saric 2680
9. Berkes 2675
10. Leko 2674 |
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May-31-19
| | beatgiant: Latin America (includes: Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas, Brazil) 1. Cori 2686
2. Bruzon Batista 2657
3. Granda Zuniga 2644
4. Mareco 2643
5. Quesada Perez, Yu. 2626 [*]
6. Leitao 2617
7, Cordova 2615
8. Flores 2603
9. Bacallao Alonzo 2590
10. Martinez Alcantara 2583
[*] Not to be confused with Quesada Perez, Ya. 2577 who almost made the top 10 too. |
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May-31-19
| | beatgiant: Nordic/Baltic world (includes: Scandinavia, Finland, former Soviet Baltic republics, Iceland, Faroe Islands) 1. Carlsen 2875
2. Grandelius 2691
3. Kovalenko 2651
4. Hammer 2645
5. Tari 2623
6. Nielsen 2617
7. Andersen 2605
8. Hellers 2601
9. Agrest 2583
10. Hansen 2575 |
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May-31-19
| | beatgiant: The Old Guard (criterion: over age 40)
1. Anand 2767
2. Kramnik 2753
3. Topalov 2740
4. Svidler 2737
5. Sadler 2692
6. Ivanchuk 2691
7. Adams 2690
8. Almasi 2687
9. Najer 2678
10. Gelfand 2676 |
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May-31-19
| | beatgiant: Middle East (includes: Egypt, Turkey, Levant, Arabian Peninsula, Persian Gulf and Iran) 1. Amin 2707
2. Rodshtein 2685
3. Firouzia 2682
4. Nabaty 2678
5. Gelfand 2676
6. Salem 2672
7. Maghsoodloo, Parham 2665
8. Ipatov 2650
9. Sutovsky 2643
10-11 Adly 2618
10-11 Yilmaz 2618 |
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Jun-01-19
| | alexmagnus: <Whoah, you added <nuclear powers>> I liked the criterion. Only a few countries but such an extreme density in top chess. Even more dominant than the Soviets ever were, and of the former Soviet Union only Russia has nuclear weapons! |
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Jun-01-19
| | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
Yes, it's nice to have critera that are easy to check by hand, unlike the regional ones I posted above. I wouldn't be surprised to learn I missed someone.Now an interesting question is, in the top countries list, what's the first country not included in any of our criteria so far? I think it's Switzerland (similar to Norway, not quite a member of the EU). I'm not sure what's a good theme to cover them without duplicating the existing themes. Alpine world? (Austria, France, Italy, Slovenia, Switzerland) Similarly, who is the first top player not included in any of our lists? It used to be Carlsen obviously, until I added the Nordic/Baltic list. Now, I think it is Jakovenko. If I add a "surname or given name starts with a J," we get Jan-Krzysztof, Jones, Jakovenko, Jorge, Jeffery, but it's like heck to fill out the rest of the top 10 by hand. Zhao Jun, Bai Jinshi and Ju Wenjun come to mind. One with more motivation from chess history would be "surname starts with C or K" because of the well-known "Ka effect" (Capablanca, Kashdan, Kotov, Karpov, Korchnoi, Kasparov, Kamsky, Kramnik, Carlsen, Karjakin, Caruana...) and at a quick glance, this gives us Carlsen, Caruana, Kramnik, Karjakin, Kryvoruchko, Korobov, Kamsky, Kuzubov, Cheparinov, Kovalenko. Not a bad list, but I feel ridiculous (and most likely am). |
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Jun-01-19
| | beatgiant: As suggested above, Alpine world:
1. Vachier-Lagrave 2779
2. Ragger 2684
3. Bacrot 2671
4. Edouard 2647
5-6. Bauer 2644
5-6. Lenic 2644
7. Fressinet 2625
8. Gozzoli 2614
9. Vocaturo 2612
10. Lagarde 2599
Lagarde barely edged out Switzerland's top player, Bogner (2598). Maybe this list would feel more "Alpine" if we removed France and Italy from it. But, again these regional lists are hard to do, and I won't be able to do it every month. |
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Jun-02-19
| | beatgiant: I decided to do a more careful "Ka effect" list. To qualify, the player must have a surname that begins with a phonetic "K" sound and the first vowel must be phonetically "a" or "o." 1. Carlsen 2875
2. Caruana 2819
3. Kramnik 2753
4. Karjakin 2748
5. Korobov 2687
6. Cori 2686
7. Kamsky 2673
8. Kovalov 2661
9. Kasimdzhanov 2657
10. Kovalenko 2651 |
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Jun-17-19
| | alexmagnus: Since Wei Yi turned 20 on June 2nd, there are no teenagers in the top 50! So much for chess becoming younger... |
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Jun-18-19
| | alexmagnus: After that remark I wondered when was the last time it happened (no teenager in the top 50). The answer is October 2000, when the best teenager - Ponomariov - was ranked 58-59. |
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Jul-01-19
| | alexmagnus: European Union:
1. Giri 2779
2. Vachier-Lagrave 2775
3. Topalov 2740
4. Wojtaszek 2737
5. Rapport 2735
6. Navara 2734
7. Duda 2729
8. Howell 2697
9-10. Jones 2692
9-10. Sadler 2692
Former Soviet Union:
1. Nepomniachtchi 2775
2. Grischuk 2766
3. Mamedyarov 2765
4. Artemiev 2761
5. Radjabov 2759
6. Aronian 2756
7. Kramnik 2753
8. Karjakin 2748
9. Svidler 2737
10-11. Andreikin 2727
10-11. Vitiugov 2727
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Anand 2764
3. So 2763
4. Domminguez 2760
5. Nakamura 2754
6. Harikrishna 2734
7. Shankland 2713
8. Amin 2707
9. Vidit 2703
10. Howell 2697
Asia:
1. Ding 2812
2. Anand 2764
3. Wei 2737
4. Yu 2736
5. Harikrishna 2734
6. Wang Hao 2725
7. Bu 2722
8. Le 2713
9. Vidit 2703
10. Wang Yue 2694
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Ding 2812
3. Giri 2779
4. So 2763
5. Artemiev 2761
6. Wei 2737
7. Yu 2736
8. Rapport 2735
9. Duda 2729
10-11. Le 2713
10-11. Shankland 2713
Nuclear powers:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Ding 2812
3-4. Vachier-Lagrave 2775
3-4. Nepomniachtchi 2775
5. Grischuk 2766
6. Anand 2764
7. So 2763
8. Artemiev 2761
9. Dominguez 2760
10. Nakamura 2754 |
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Jul-02-19
| | beatgiant: Post-Communist (except USSR and China):
1. Topalov 2740
2. Wojtaszek 2737
3. Rapport 2735
4. Navara 2734
5. Duda 2729
6. Le 2713
7. Almasi 2687
8. Rausis 2686
9-10. Berkes 2681
9-10. Saric 2681
Latin America:
1. Cori 2686
2. Bruzon Batista 2661
3. Granda Zuniga 2644
4. Mareco 2641
5. Bachmann 2633
6. Quesada Perez, Yu. 2626
7. Iturrizaga Bonelli, 2625
8. Leitao 2616
9. Cordova 2615
10. Delgado Ramirez 2605 |
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Jul-02-19
| | beatgiant: Nordic/Baltic:
1. Carlsen 2872
2. Grandelius 2691
3. Kovalenko 2654
4. Hammer 2637
5. Tari 2620
6. Nielsen 2617
7. Andersen 2605
8. Hellers 2601
9. Agrest 2583
10. Neiksans 2581
Middle East:
1. Amin 2707
2-3. Firouzia 2685
2-3. Rodshtein 2685
4. Nabaty 2678
5. Gelfand 2676
6. Salem 2672
7. Maghsoodloo 2656
8. Ipatov 2650
9. Sutovsky 2643
10-11 Adly 2618
10-11 Yilmaz 2618 |
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Jul-02-19
| | beatgiant: Alpine World (includes: Austria, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Slovenia, Switzerland) 1. Ragger 2684
2. Lenic 2644
3. Milov 2598
4-5. Bogner 2584
4-5. Borisek 2584
6. Skoberne 2567
7. Pelletier 2565
8. Fontaine 2557
9. Pavasovic 2546
10. Dragnev 2535 |
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Jul-02-19
| | beatgiant: The Old Guard:
1. Anand 2764
2. Kramnik 2753
3. Topalov 2740
4. Svidler 2737
5. Sadler 2692
6. Adams 2690
7. Almasi 2687
8. Rausis 2686
9. Ivanchuk 2684
10. Najer 2678 |
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Jul-02-19
| | beatgiant: For my latest "superstitions letters" list, I present "the JR effect." J.R. Capablanca and R.J. Fischer had these letters and were among the greatest chess superstars of all time. To qualify for this list, a player must have both a "j" and an "r" anywhere in the name. I have highlighted the first occurrence of these in each name below. 1. <R>ad<j>abov 2759 2. Ka<r><j>akin 2748 3. Wo<j>taszek, <R>adoslaw 2737 4. Duda, <J>an-K<r>zisztof 2729 5. <J>akovenko, Dmit<r>y 2711 6. Vidit, Santosh Gu<j><r>athi 2703 7. <J>ones, Gawain Ch<r>istopher Bernard 2692 8. Xiong, <J>effe<r>y 2691 9. Valle<j>o Pons, F<r>ancisco 2687 10. Co<r>i, <J>orge 2686 |
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Aug-01-19
| | alexmagnus: August:
European Union:
1. Giri 2779
2. Vachier-Lagrave 2778
3. Rapport 2747
4. Wojtaszek 2739
5. Topalov 2736
6. Duda 2730
7. Navara 2724
8. Howell 2697
9-10. Jones 2692
9-10. Sadler 2692
Former Soviet Union:
1. Nepomniachtchi 2774
2. Aronian 2765
3. Mamedyarov 2764
4. Grischuk 2759
5. Radjabov 2758
6. Artemiev 2757
7. Kramnik 2753
8. Karjakin 2750
9. Andreikin 2743
10. Svidler 2729
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2818
2. So 2776
3. Dominguez 2763
4. Anand 2756
5. Nakamura 2743
6. Harikrishna 2738
7. Shankland 2713
8. Vidit 2705
9. Xiong 2703
10. Howell 2697
Asia:
1. Ding 2805
2. Anand 2756
3. Yu 2752
4. Harikrishna 2738
5. Wei 2727
6. Le 2726
7. Bu 2721
8. Wang Hao 2720
9. Vidit 2705
10. Firouzja* 2702
*Firouzja is the first player born in the 21st century to make it to one of my lists. Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2818
2. Ding 2805
3. Giri 2779
4. So 2776
5. Artemiev 2757
6. Yu 2752
7. Rapport 2747
8. Duda 2730
9. Wei 2727
10. Le 2726
Nuclear powers:
1. Caruana 2818
2. Ding 2805
3. Vachier-Lagrave 2778
4. So 2776
5. Nepomniachtchi 2774
6. Dominguez 2763
7. Grischuk 2759
8. Artemiev 2757
9. Anand 2756
10. Kramnik 2753 |
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Aug-01-19
 | | moronovich: Hi <Alex> Well,it is you who knows a lot about rating and not me,so could you perhaps help me about a question I find rather interesting : do you know if the winrate white vs black,draws not counting,is approximately the same among woman,people in the area let us say 1400-1800 and those in the world elite ? Thanks in advance and if you find you dont have time or otherwise,it is fine too ! All the best
-moro- |
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Aug-02-19
| | alexmagnus: The "draws not counting" part is difficult.
I know that the <score> with white vs black is consistent at 53:47 at all levels from beginner to 2700 (but rises to 56-57% at the 2700+ level). Independent of the gender. It is also known that the draw rate rises with the playing strength - while the expected score by a 1800 against a 1700 is the same as that by a 2800 against a 2700, the way <how> it will achieved is very different (in the 2800 vs 2700 case, there will be much more draws but fewer losses by the stronger player). Women at <top> (of women's chess - that is, 2450-2650) level also have a slightly higher rate of decisive games than men at the same level. Now, what I don't know but need to know to answer your question is: 1) is "women play more decisive games than men" true at lower levels? 2) How are those extra decisive games distributed by color? |
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