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Mar-01-19
 | | beatgiant: Former Austro-Hungary:
1. Navara 2739
2. Rapport 2738
3. Saric 2703
4. Ragger 2696
5. Almasi 2680
6. Laznicka 2670
7. Berkes 2666
8. Leko 2660
9. Rausis 2657
10. Lenic 2643
It's hand-generated, so I hope I got that right. |
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Mar-01-19
| | beatgiant: Former Soviet Satellites (except E. Germany, not sure if Nisipeanu would count as E. or W. German) 1. Topalov 2740
2. Navara 2739
3. Rapport 2738
4. Duda 2731
5. Wojtaszek 2722
6. Le 2715
7. Kovalev 2703
8. Almasi 2680
9. Laznicka 2670
10-11. Berkes 2666
10-11. Bruzon 2666 |
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Mar-02-19
 | | alexmagnus: <7. Kovalev 2703 > Kovalev is from Belarus, which was part of the Soviet Union proper, not a satellite state. |
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Mar-02-19
| | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
I stand corrected (saw BLR, thought Bulgaria).
To make up, here's Former Alexander the Great's Empire, in honor of your username. 1. Aronian 2761
2. Topalov 2740
3. Amin 2709
4. Nabaty 2697
5. Sargissian 2689
6-7. Maghsoodloo 2673
6-7. Rodshtein 2673
8. Kasimzhdanov 2663
9. Melkumyan 2661
10. Firouzia 2657 |
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Mar-31-19
| | alexmagnus: April:
European Union:
1. Giri 2797
2. Vachier-Lagrave 2773
3. Topalov 2740
4. Navara 2733
5. Duda 2728
6. Rapport 2726
7. Wojtaszek 2724
8. Howell 2701
9-10. Adams 2698
9-10. Jones 2698
Former Soviet Union:
1. Mamedyarov 2793
2. Nepomniachtchi 2773
3. Grischuk 2771
4. Aronian 2763
5. Radjabov 2756
6. Artemiev 2754
7. Kramnik 2753
8. Karjakin 2743
9. Svidler 2735
10. Vitiugiv 2734
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Anand 2774
3. So 2762
4. Nakamura 2746
5. Shankland 2725
6. Harikrishna 2723
7. Vidit 2717
8. Amin 2708
9-10. Howell 2701
9-10. Adhiban 2701
Asia:
1. Ding 2809
2. Anand 2774
3. Yu 2751
4. Bu 2729
5. Wei 2728
6. Wang Hao 2726
7. Harikrishna 2723
8. Vidit 2717
9. Le 2711
10. Adhiban 2701
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2819
2. Ding 2809
3. Giri 2797
4. So 2762
5. Artemiev 2754
6. Yu 2751
7-8. Wei 2728
7-8. Duda 2728
9. Rapport 2726
10. Shankland 2725 |
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Apr-03-19
| | beatgiant: Nordic/Baltic world:
1. Carlsen 2845
2. Grandelius 2687
3. Kovalenko 2662
4. Hammer 2650
5. Nielsen 2624
6. Tari 2615
7. Hellers 2601
8. Hansen 2590
9. Agrest 2581
10. Meshkovs 2574 |
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Apr-03-19
| | beatgiant: Former Spanish empire:
1. Vallejo Pons 2693
2. Cori 2686
3. Anton Guijarro 2669
4. Bruzon 2668
5. Shirov 2660
6. Mareco 2651
7. Granda Zuniga 2644
8. Quesada Perez 2624
9-10. Cordova 2615
9-10. Perez Candalario 2615 |
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Apr-30-19
| | alexmagnus: May:
European Union:
1. Giri 2787
2. Vachier-Lagrave 2780
3. Topalov 2740
4. Rapport 2736
5-6. Navara 2728
5-6. Duda 2728
7. Wojtaszek 2724
8. Jones 2702
9. Howell 2698
10. Saric 2694
Former Soviet Union:
1. Mamedyarov 2781
2. Nepomniachtchi 2773
3. Grischuk 2772
4. Aronian 2762
5. Radjabov 2759
6. Artemiev 2754
7. Kramnik 2753
8. Karjakin 2752
9. Svidler 2739
10. Vituigov 2734
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2816
2. Anand 2774
3. Nakamura 2761
4. So 2754
5. Dominguez 2750
6. Harikrishna 2730
7. Shankland 2717
8. Vidit 2707
9. Amin 2704
10. Jones 2702
Asia:
1. Ding 2805
2. Anand 2774
3. Yu 2739
4. Wei 2736
5. Wang Hao 2735
6. Harikrishna 2730
7. Bu 2729
8. Vidit 2707
9. Le 2704
10. Adhiban 2701
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2816
2. Ding 2805
3. Giri 2787
4-5. So 2754
4-5. Artemiev 2754
6. Yu 2739
7-8. Rapport 2736
7-8. Wei 2736
9. Duda 2728
10. Shankland 2717 |
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May-01-19
| | beatgiant: Countries with nuclear arsenals:
1. Caruana 2816
2. Ding 2805
3. Vachier-Lagrave 2780
4. Anand 2774
5. Nepomniachtchi 2773
6. Grischuk 2772
7. Nakamura 2761
8-9. So 2754
8-9. Artemiev 2754
10. Kramnik 2753
Visegrad Group
1. Rapport 2736
2-3. Navara 2728
2-3. Duda 2728
4. Wojtaszek 2724
5. Almasi 2687
6. Berkes 2677
7. Leko 2674
8. Laznicka 2660
9. Piorun 2657
10. Rausis 2653 |
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May-01-19
| | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
And now that I've made a few contributions to these thematic lists, I hope you will allow a few questions.First: Any feedback on my lists? Interesting, annoying, whatever. You can be honest, everyone knows I'm not the proud type ;-) Second: Do you have some automated process for generating your lists? I made all mine by hand, which is time consuming and error prone. Besides getting Kovalev's country wrong as you noted above, I also misspelled Kasimdzhanov's name in one of my lists, and I wouldn't be surprised if more mistakes are found. I don't see multi-country queries or sort by age in FIDE's advanced search, and I'm not serious enough about this hobby to write my own script to crawl the lists ;-) Third: How did you decide on your themes? I have a lot of thoughts on that but I'll put them in another longer post later. |
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May-01-19
| | alexmagnus: <Any feedback on my lists?> I like them, I'm just used to the ones I do (kind of established now as a "constant base"), so you can go on! <Do you have some automated process for generating your lists?> No, doing them by hand.
<How did you decide on your themes?> It grew with time. It all started with a debate on a different forum about whether the Soviet Union would still dominate chess today, and if the Soviet players declined after the fall of the Soviet Union. So, a monthly issue of the former Soviet players ratings was born. Then, by extension, the EU was added (and then the historical lists compiled retroactively, including the EU's expansion over time). I don't remember why the British Empire was added but it kind of stuck. Asia was added to observe the contintnt's progress. I noted chess became much more popular in Asia in recent years, so I decided to track it. This is also the reason why Georgia/Armenia/Azerbaijan are counted as Europe for the sake of those lists (but Central Asian post-Soviet republics would count as Asia!) And born later than the world champion... that list came from the obesrvation that all world champions but Kramnik and those who lost in automatic rematches were dethroned by younger players. |
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May-02-19
| | beatgiant: The old guard (born before 1980):
1. Anand 2774
2. Kramnik 2753
3. Topalov 2740
4. Svidler 2739
5. Adams 2693
6. Sadler 2688
7. Almasi 2687
8. Ivanchuk 2677
9. Gelfand 2676
10-11. Najer 2674
10-11. Leko 2674 |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
Thanks for that interesting background about your themes. Now I'll say a few words about the themes I chose, plus a few I thought about but rejected.Inspired by your lists, I looked down the FIDE top 100 and top country lists for any other themes that stood out that you weren't already covering. Now I'll follow up with several posts about my lists. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Former Austria-Hungary": Central Europe (roughly Germany, the old Austria-Hungary, maybe also Poland) was a major source of top chess masters and ideas until at least the early 20th century. I thought it might be interesting to see how they are doing today. I rejected "former Central Powers" or "former Mitteleuropa" because (a) Germany doesn't seem extra prominent in chess today, (b) it might include too many other countries, (c) I didn't want to rake over the historic wounds from WWII, WWI or earlier. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Former Soviet Satellites": Looking down the top 100 and top countries, "Post-Communist" stands out as a big theme. But a direct "Post-Communist" list would yield basically the former Soviet Union plus China, which are already well covered in your lists, and it would miss all the smaller "Post-Communist" countries. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Former Alexander the Great's Empire": It's hard to justify this from a chess history point of view. What we find in practice is mostly some southern parts of "Post-Communist," plus the Middle East. As I suggested, it was mostly a tribute to your username alexmagnus (Alex the Great). |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Nordic/Baltic world": Due to the quirks of Norway-EU politics, Carlsen is conspicuously absent from the lists. I was looking for a way to highlight him. An obvious fix would be "European Single Market," but that would just be Carlsen plus your European Union list. If I did "Arctic Council," we would get Carlsen plus the US and Russia. And it's hard to think of another grouping that includes Norway but not the EU and has a good chess history motivation. Then, "Nordic/Baltic World" suggested itself, because the region historically gave us top players like Nimzowitsch, Keres, Stahlberg, Tal, Olafsson, Andersson, Cramling, besides Carlsen himself. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Former Spanish Empire": I was really looking for a "Latin America" theme, and this is in keeping with the "Former Soviet Union" and "Former British Empire" themes where we base our theme on some historical political association among the countries. But, in the future I might post a "Latin America" theme instead. "Former Spanish Empire" includes Spain and excludes Brazil, not exactly what I was aiming for. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: <Then, "Nordic/Baltic World" suggested itself, because the region historically gave us top players like Nimzowitsch, Keres, Stahlberg, Tal, Olafsson, Andersson, Cramling, besides Carlsen himself.> Larsen was on that list too, but I forgot to include him when I posted the above... |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Countries with nuclear arsenals":
This really struck me when looking at the FIDE top 100 list. But it's not clear that this marker of national power and ambition translates directly to chess achievements. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "The old guard (born before 1980):"
Similar to your "born later than the world champion" list highlighting potential future champions, this list is intended to highlight the former champions. But I struggled with deciding on the cutoff criterion (which should really be based on age, not an arbitrary date). If I post something like this in the future, I'll try to fix that. |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: Some themes I considered but rejected:
"Organization of Islamic States": It's similar to "Former Alexander the Great's Empire" and has the same issues. "Catholic World": This would be a mish-mash of France, Poland, most of "Former Austria-Hungary," and "Former Spanish Empire." Plus, the inclusion criterion is not too clear. Besides that, I wasn't sure it was wise to add religion to the already volatile mix of chess and national identities on someone else's forum ;-) |
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May-04-19
| | beatgiant: "Visegrad Group": This was another attempt to capture the idea of "Central Europe" but this time, including Poland. What I probably really wanted was "Former Austria-Hungary plus Poland." |
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May-07-19
| | alexmagnus: To people who like to pose Elo inflation: how do you explain the advances in other sports, where the measure of strength is objective? Number of century breaks in snooker world championships since 1977 (the event exists since 1927 but before 1977 the format was very different. Since it's so old by 1977 you can't say it's a new sport...): 1977: 6
1978: 7
1979: 13
1980: 11
1981: 13
1982: 10
1983: 18
1984: 8
1985: 14
1986: 20
1987: 18
1988: 18
1989: 19
1990: 18
1991: 31
1992: 25
1993: 35
1994: 35
1995: 30
1996: 48
1997: 39
1998: 59
1999: 53
2000: 54
2001: 53
2002: 68
2003: 53
2004: 55
2005: 63
2006: 46
2007: 68
2008: 63
2009: 83
2010: 60
2011: 74
2012: 71
2013: 55
2014: 58
2015: 86
2016: 86
2017: 74
2018: 84
2019: 100 |
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May-07-19
 | | Diademas: <alexmagnus: To people who like to pose Elo inflation: how do you explain the advances in other sports, where the measure of strength is objective?> I would argue that the objective level of top level chess has been increasing steadily since the days of Philidor, and still is. Maybe more than ever due to the advance of computers. The ELO rating operates totally independent of that, and should be used with extreme caution when you compare players of different eras. Elo only gives meaning when comparing the relative strength of players in the same pool. The higher ratings today would have happened even if players now played, objectively, much worse than earlier. Correlation does not imply causation. |
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