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Jun-02-21
 | | beatgiant: <nok>
The FIDE lists only give the countries. We can't really expect <alexmagnus> to research for each Indian chessplayer whether that player's place of residence was in pre-independence times ruled by the British, the Portuguese or the French, for example. Besides, players can move from one state to another at any time.As to the merits, I'd argue that, while Texas has a mixture of post-British and post-Spanish attributes, the post-British ones (language, culture, system of laws and government, etc.) are still great enough to support Xiong's membership on that list. |
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Jun-02-21
| | beatgiant: To <nok>'s point, top US players whose place of residence was never ruled by the British, with the state and former empire (state based on US federation listing): 1. Caruana (NV, Spanish)
2. So 2770 (MN*, French)
3. Dominguez Perez 2758 (MO, French)
4. Xiong 2709 (TX, Spanish)
5. Shankland 2691 (CA, Spanish)
6. Robson 2673 (MO, French)
7-8. Onischuk 2649 (TX, Spanish)
7-8. Swiercz 2649 (MO, French)
9. Bruzon Batista 2639 (MO, French)
10. Zherebukh 2620 (MO, French)
*The state was split but I think So lives on the former French side. |
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Jun-02-21
| | beatgiant: Among the top Indian players, Anand and Harikrishna reside outside India (further showing the futility of a state-based criterion), but all of them as far as I can tell are from former British ruled parts of the country. |
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Jun-03-21
 | | alexmagnus: I will still keep including all US players into my "former British Empire" lists :). The US was founded in a fight for independence from Britain, so if we just look at a country (and not the state or even city level), it makes perfect sense to include the US (unlike, for example, China: Hongkong is a separate federation anyway, and Weihai is too insignifcant to consider China a former British colony :D. And even in Hongkong federation ever gets integrated into the Chinese federation, it is still too little). Next namesake list: US presidents
1. Adams 2716
2. Jackson 2386
3. Taylor 2347
4. Grant 2157
5. Johnson 2131
6. Harrison 2103
7. Wilson 2097
8. Carter 2096
9. Buchanan 2081
10. Kennedy 2041
11. Harding 2003
12. Jefferson 1989
13. Arthur 1928
14. Truman 1913
15. Ford 1795
16. Madison 1700
17. Clinton 1695
18. Reagan 1688
19. Bush 1687
20. Garfield 1654
21. Hoover 1537
22. Washington 1376 |
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Jun-04-21
| | beatgiant: For completeness, here are the notable Indian players I found from places that were never British-ruled (states based on wikipedia's list of Indian chess players). I can't guarantee the accuracy or completeness, but it's good enough to be able to conclude that it doesn't affect <alexmagnus>'s Former British Empire list. I can also confirm that state-level research is indeed as much work as expected ;-) 1. Mendonca 2549 (Goa, Portuguese)
2. Anurag 2499 (Goa, Portuguese)
3. Kulkarni Bhakti 2391 (Goa, Portuguese)
4. Audi Ameya 2378 (Goa, Portuguese)
5. Rohan 2355 (Goa, Portuguese)
5. Koshi 2217 (Puducherri, French)
6. Ivana Maria* 2139 (Goa, Portuguese)
*inactive |
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Jun-30-21
| | beatgiant: Is nobody else going to make the cheap jokes about the inactive namesakes? Maybe Malenkov is running a chess club in a hydroelectric plant in Siberia? Maybe Chopin only plays chess with visiting dignitaries in his private salon in Paris? Anyway, it's time for another set of monthly rating lists. July 2021
Latin America:
1. Cori 2652
2-3. Granda Zuniga 2630
2-3. Pichot 2630
4. Mareco 2629
5. Delgado Ramirez 2622
6. Martinez Alcantara 2620
7-8. Henriquez Villagra 2606
7-8. Vescovi 2606
9-10. Bachmann 2599
9-10. Flores 2599 |
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Jun-30-21
| | beatgiant: Middle East:
1. Amin 2703
2. Maghsoodloo 2698
3. Salem 2682
4. Gelfand 2675
5. Ipatov 2644
6. Nabaty 2638
7. Yilmaz 2630
8. Sutovsky 2628
9. Adly 2625
10-11. Idani 2614
10-11. Rodshtein 2614 |
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Jun-30-21
| | beatgiant: I just noticed that I forgot to filter out inactive in my Latin America list above and included Vescovi, who is inactive. Here's a corrected list. Latin America:
1. Cori 2652
2-3. Granda Zuniga 2630
2-3. Pichot 2630
4. Mareco 2629
5. Delgado Ramirez 2622
6. Martinez Alcantara 2620
7. Henriquez Villagra 2606
8-9. Bachmann 2599
8-9. Flores 2599
10. Leitao 2592 |
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Jul-01-21
| | beatgiant: Nordic/Baltic:
1. Carlsen 2847
2. Grandelius 2661
3. Kovalenko 2643
4. Tari 2639
5. Christiansen 2620
6. Nielsen 2618
7. Hammer 2608
8. Gretarsson 2603
9. Hellers 2592
10. Andersen 2579
(Hansen fell off the list due to inactivity.) |
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Jul-01-21
| | beatgiant: Balkans:
1. Topalov 2735
2. Cheparinov 2667
3. Saric 2653
4. Lenic 2627
5. Papaioannou 2623
6. Bosiocic 2610
7. Mastrovasilis 2609
8. Indjic 2607
9. Ivanisevic 2606
10. Banikas 2602 |
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Jul-01-21
| | beatgiant: Rest of world:
1. Firouzja 2759
2. Milov 2607
3-5. Bogner 2581
3-5. Pelletier 2581
3-5. Studer 2581
6. Hamdouchi 2561
7. Georgiadis 2553
8-9. Fontaine 2550
8-9. Megaranto 2550
10. Priasmoro 2502
11. Bellahcene 2497
12. Arab 2487 |
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Jul-01-21
| | alexmagnus: European Union:
1. Giri 2776
2. Rapport 2763
3. Vachier-Lagrave 2749
4. Duda 2738
5. Topalov 2735
6. Vallejo 2710
7. Wojtaszek 2691
8. Van Foreest 2688
9. Almasi 2687
10. Ragger 2680
Former Soviet Union:
1. Nepomniachtchi 2792
2-3. Aronian 2782
2-3. Mamedyarov 2782
4. Grischuk 2778
5. Radjabov 2763
6. Karjakin 2757
7-8. Andreikin 2724
7-8. Vitiugov 2724
9. Esipenko 2716
10-11. Dubov 2714
10-11. Svidler 2714
Former British Empire (as I sad last time, I include all players from countries significant parts of which were parts of the Empire or administered by the Empire at some point): 1. Caruana 2806
2. So 2772
3. Dominguez 2758
4. Anand 2753
5. Nakamura 2736
6. Harikrishna 2730
7. Vidit 2726
8. Adams 2716
9-10. Shankland 2709
9-10. Xiong 2709
Asia:
1. Ding 2799
2. Anand 2753
3. Wang 2744
4. Harikrishna 2730
5. Vidit 2726
6. Wei 2725
7. Le 2709
8-9. Bu 2705
8-9. Yu 2705
10. Maghsoodloo 2698
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2806
2. Ding 2799
3. Giri 2776
4. So 2772
5. Rapport 2763
6. Firouzja 2759
7. Duda 2738
8. Vidit 2726
9. Wei 2725
10. Esipenko 2716
Nuclear powers:
1. Caruana 2806
2. Ding 2799
3. Nepomniachtchi 2792
4. Grischuk 2778
5. So 2772
6. Dominguez 2758
7. Karjakin 2757
8. Anand 2753
9. Vachier-Lagrave 2749
10. Wang 2744 |
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Jul-01-21
| | beatgiant: Old guard:
1. Anand 2753
2. Topalov 2735
3. Adams 2716
4. Svidler 2714
5. Sadler 2694
6. Almasi 2687
7. Ivanchuk 2678
8. Gelfand 2675
9. Malakhov 2666
10. Leko 2663 |
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Jul-02-21
| | beatgiant: Novelty: The top player in the world for each letter of the alphabet. 1. C - Carlsen 2847
2. D - Ding 2799
3. N - Nepomniachtchi 2792
4-5. A - Aronian 2782
4-5. M - Mamedyarov 2782
6. G - Grischuk 2778
7. S - So 2772
8. R - Radjabov 2763
9. F -Firouzja 2759
10. K - Karjakin 2757
11. V - Vachier-Lagrave 2749
12. W - Wang 2744
13. T - Topalov 2735
14. H - Harikrishna 2730
15. E - Esipenko 2716
16-17 L - Le 2709
16-17. X - Xiong 2709
18-19. B - Bu 2705
18-19. Y - Yu 2705
20. J - Jakovenko 2684
21. P - Predke 2683
22. I - Ivanchuk 2678
23. O - Oparin 2654
24. Z - Zhang 2640
25. Q - Quesada Perez 2593
26. U - Urkedal 2566 |
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Jul-02-21
| | alexmagnus: Honestly, I didn't expect there to be a GM level player for each letter - let alone 2700s for all of them but 7! |
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Jul-02-21
 | | saffuna: U and Q really need to step up their games. |
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Jul-08-21
| | alexmagnus: Currently there are six living (linear) world champions. When were most world champions alive? The answer is, between 1975 (Karpov gaining the title) and 1980 (Euwe's death), when there were <eight> world champions alive. The least world champions alive were obviously 1, which happened three times: 1886-1894 (Steinitz), 1900-1921 (Lasker - the longest period with a stable number of living world champions) and 1946-1948 (Euwe). There the detailed number changes (C: the player became world champion, D: the player died) 1886: Steinitz C (1)
1894: Lasker C (2)
1900: Steinitz D (1)
1921: Capablanca C (2)
1927: Alekhine C (3)
1935: Euwe C (4)
1941: Lasker D (3)
1942: Capablanca D (2)
1946: Alekhine D (1)
1948: Botvinnik C (2)
1957: Smyslov C (3)
1960: Tal C (4)
1963: Petrosian C (5)
1969: Spassky C (6)
1972: Fischer C (7)
1975: Karpov C (8)
1980: Euwe D (7)
1984: Petrosian D (6)
1985: Kasparov C (7)
1992: Tal D (6)
1995: Botvinnik D (5)
2000: Kramnik C (6)
2007: Anand C (7)
2008: Fischer D (6)
2010: Smyslov D (5)
2013: Carlsen C (6).
Oldest living world champion:
1886-1900 Steinitz
1900-1941 Lasker
1941-1942 Capablanca
1942-1946 Alekhine
1946-1980 Euwe
1980-1995 Botvinnik
1995-2010 Smyslov
Since 2010 Spassky
If WC title were a lifelong title (but a titleholder emerging after the player's death would be the same as in real life), world champions would be: 1886-1900 Steinitz
1900-1941 Lasker
1941-1946 Alekhine
1948-1995 Botvinnik
Since 1995 Kasparov |
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Jul-08-21
| | alexmagnus: As for why I had this strange idea of a lifelong WC list: chess world champions are often named chess kings, and <kings> typically have their titles for life.... |
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Jul-08-21
| | alexmagnus: Also, the "lifelong world champion" idea reminds me of the concept of the Iffland ring among German language actors. Only that the ring is passed on by the bearer's last will, while here we have an objective criterion: the new bearer of the award is the reigning world champion at the moment of the previous bearer's death. |
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Jul-09-21
| | alexmagnus: Slight correction, Euwe, of course, died in 1981 and not 1980. Which doesn't change any of those lists above much. |
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Jul-15-21
| | beatgiant: Late-breaking shake-up in the lists:
Firouzja now has his federation listed as France and should now move from #1 of "Rest of World" to #3 on "European Union," while Kovalev is now listed as FIDE and becomes #1 on "Rest of World." |
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Jul-16-21
| | beatgiant: Firouzja also becomes #6 on "Nuclear Powers." |
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Aug-01-21
| | alexmagnus: August
European Union:
1. Giri 2776
2. Rapport 2763
3. Firouzja 2759
4. Vachier-Lagrave 2751
5. Duda 2738
6. Topalov 2730
7. Vallejo 2710
8. Van Foreest 2698
9. Wojtaszek 2691
10. Almasi 2687
Former Soviet Union:
1. Nepomniachtchi 2792
2-3. Aronian 2782
2-3. Mamedyarov 2782
4. Grischuk 2778
5. Radjabov 2763
6. Karjakin 2757
7-8. Andreikin 2724
7-8. Vitiugov 2724
9. Esipenko 2716
10-11. Dubov 2714
10-11. Svidler 2714
Former British Empire:
1. Caruana 2806
2. So 2772
3. Dominguez 2758
4. Anand 2753
5. Nakamura 2736
6. Harikrishna 2730
7. Vidit 2726
8. Adams 2716
9. Xiong 2710
10. Shankland 2709
Asia:
1. Ding 2799
2. Anand 2753
3. Wang 2744
4. Harikrishna 2730
5. Vidit 2726
6. Wei 2725
7. Le 2709
8-9. Bu 2705
8-9. Yu 2705
10. Maghsoodloo 2698
Born later than the world champion:
1. Caruana 2806
2. Ding 2799
3. Giri 2776
4. So 2772
5. Rapport 2763
6. Firouzja 2759
7. Duda 2738
8. Vidit 2726
9. Wei 2725
10. Esipenko 2716
Nuclear powers:
1. Caruana 2806
2. Ding 2799
3. Nepomniachtchi 2792
4. Grischuk 2778
5. So 2772
6. Firouzja 2759
7. Dominguez 2758
8. Karjakin 2757
9. Anand 2753
10. Vachier-Lagrave 2751 |
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Aug-02-21
| | beatgiant: Latin America:
1. Cori 2652
2. Granda Zuniga 2630
3. Mareco 2629
4. Pichot 2624
5. Martinez Alcantara 2620
6. Delgado Ramirez 2612
7. Henriquez Villagra 2606
8-9. Bachmann 2599
8-9. Flores 2599
10. Leitao 2592
Middle East:
1. Amin 2703
2. Maghsoodloo 2698
3. Salem 2682
4. Gelfand 2675
5. Ipatov 2644
6. Nabaty 2638
7. Yilmaz 2630
8. Sutovsky 2628
9. Adly 2625
10. Idani 2614
Nordic/Baltic:
1. Carlsen 2847
2. Grandelius 2666
3. Kovalenko 2644
4. Tari 2639
5. Christiansen 2620
6. Nielsen 2618
7. Hammer 2608
8. Gretarsson 2603
9. Hellers 2592
10. Thybo 2587
Balkans:
1. Topalov 2730
2. Cheparinov 2659
3. Saric 2653
4. Lenic 2627
5. Papaioannou 2623
6. Mastrovasilis 2615
7-8. Bosiocic 2610
7-8. Indjic 2610
9. Banikas 2602
10. Georgiev 2599 |
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Aug-02-21
| | beatgiant: Rest of World:
1. Kovalev 2637
2. Milov 2607
3-4. Bogner 2581
3-4. Studer 2581
5. Pelletier 2555
6. Georgiadis 2553
7. Hamdouchi 2552
8-9. Fontaine 2550
8-9. Megaranto 2550
10-11. Bellahcene 2502
10-11. Priasmoro 2502
12. Arab 2487 |
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