Much appreciated.

Regards.

These posts appear very sensible to me 🙏🙏

Some of his policies and actions have been viewed as more right-wing and hawkish, especially regarding issues such as settlements in the West Bank and his approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. These policies have been criticized by some as extreme or hardline.

On the other hand, he had a significant following in Israeli politics, and his supporters viewed him as a strong leader who stood up for Israel's security and interests.

Chatgpt : The perception of whether an Israeli Prime Minister is considered moderate or not can also be subjective and dependent on various factors, including the political climate, the policies pursued during their term, and individual viewpoints. Israel has had several Prime Ministers before Benjamin Netanyahu, and their political leanings have varied.

For instance, Yitzhak Rabin, who served as Prime Minister during different periods in the 1970s and 1990s, is often seen as a more moderate figure, particularly because of his role in the Oslo Accords and his efforts to advance the peace process with the Palestinians

Similarly, Ehud Barak, who served as Prime Minister from 1999 to 2001, is often seen as having pursued a more centrist and conciliatory approach during his tenure, including making significant peace proposals to the Palestinians.

Conclusion - all the problems in world are caused by extremists.

America , do not let Trump win in 2024. Extremists should never be voted in power.

I am counting on you America - do not let me down

Thank you.

May sane , cooler heads prevail

Thank you , <alexmagnus>

[ https://www.theonion.com/dying-gaza... ]>

And that reminds me of the posts of <alexmagnus> - not All gazans are terrorists, not All Israelis are colonialist.

All the problems in world are caused by extremists . Extremists like netanyahu , Trump et al.

America , do not vote Trump to power again.

May sane cooler heads/minds prevail.

I am willing to change my mind if <alexmagnus> or someone gives intelligent reason to change my mind about the following assertion :

<two state solution is not workable - it is a serious security threat. Look at what hamas did now and imagine what they would do if Gaza and West Bank become completely independent >

But they defended them time and time again before 1967. And not just against the Palestinians, but against armies from multiple Arab countries.

This Hamas attack was a major failure of the Israeli intelligence (that attack must have been prepared for a long time!), and probably the government too (how comes the border was as unprotected as it was?). Israel cannot afford too many such failures <regardless> of its borders.

Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan (who were both once sworn enemies of Israel), so why not with the Palestinians, in return for a fully independent state? Especially if in the peace treaty the Palestinians guarantee to give up any claims on Israel proper (just as Jordan gave up any claims on the West Bank back then).

The US did consider all Japanese an enemy, see also the internment of the US citizens of Japanese origin.

I think longterm a two state solution would work. Short term it would be a <very> fragile peace, but so was also peace in Europe after WW2 (where the former enemies are partners now).>

Thanks a lot for the response , <alexmagnus> Much appreciated . Regards.

But who says the populations of the two countries (let's call Palestine one too, after all it's recognized by over a 100 countries) have to always be on the side of these hardliners?

In the early 1990s, Israel voted for Rabin and therefore for peace. In the mid-1990s, according to a poll, 80% (!) of Palestinians were pro-two-states and for achieving it by peaceful means.

It shows: the current situation can change radically, just as it changed since the 1990s.

Why did both sides become more radical? Because the peace process of the 1990s got sabotaged. First by Netanyahu (who became PM in 1996), who clearly never wanted two states. Then by the Second Intifada, which was basically a reaction to Israel radicalizing. From there, things went downhill on both sides. Until now, when there is an outraght fascist government in Israel and the discorse is dominated by the Hamas terrorists in Palestine.

But if there is anything the October 7 massacre showed, it is that Israel's strategy of "managing the conflict" failed. Pro-peace Israelis have warned of such a failure for years. They were not heard. Hopefully they will be heard now. After the initial revenge lust is satisfied.

<MrMelad: <Mortimer> I am furious with my leaders to a degree that you can not comprehend. I have <always> supported peace and the two states solution throughout my life>

Respect to <mrmelad> for that.

<mrmelad> , You should also visit forum of <alexmagnus> , I think.

<alexmagnus> says he is Jew according to some criterion and he has relatives , friends jn Israel and he has visited Israel many tines.

<alexmagnus: Hamas doesn't want a two state solution, sure. Neither does the Israeli right. But who says the populations of the two countries (let's call Palestine one too, after all it's recognized by over a 100 countries) have to always be on the side of these hardliners?

In the early 1990s, Israel voted for Rabin and therefore for peace. In the mid-1990s, according to a poll, 80% (!) of Palestinians were pro-two-states and for achieving it by peaceful means.

It shows: the current situation can change radically, just as it changed since the 1990s.

Why did both sides become more radical? Because the peace process of the 1990s got sabotaged. First by Netanyahu (who became PM in 1996), who clearly never wanted two states. Then by the Second Intifada, which was basically a reaction to Israel radicalizing. From there, things went downhill on both sides. Until now, when there is an outraght fascist government in Israel and the discorse is dominated by the Hamas terrorists in Palestine.

But if there is anything the October 7 massacre showed, it is that Israel's strategy of "managing the conflict" failed. Pro-peace Israelis have warned of such a failure for years. They were not heard. Hopefully they will be heard now. After the initial revenge lust is satisfied.

https://www.tiktok.com/@thegoodremi.>

I have a question , guys , If you please .

Can hamas hide in israel ? Is it possible ?

One thing about October 7 was that they didn't just kill Jews - they killed Arabs too. Fully intentionally.

He needs to be forced from office>

All the problems in world are caused by far tight extremists or far left extremists ....

Extremists like putin, netanyahu , Trump should not be in power .

Sane, righteous people like <saffuna> , <johnlspouge> , <stone free or die > , <keypusher> , <alexmagnus> , <mrmelad> et al want hamas to be punished but at the same time innocent Palestinians be protected and helped .

On the other hand , world is messed up , so that is just wishful thinking, says this columnist

<The only true law of war is savagery. Gaza isn’t facing anything different There’s no reason to believe that any other kind of war in Gaza might have been more humane. The idea that war can be civilised by law has tranquillised our imagination>

Stealing this and posting in rogoff forum :

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alexmagnus: Hamas hiding in Israel? Given Hamas' ideology, I doubt they could hide even if they wanted. One thing about October 7 was that they didn't just kill Jews - they killed Arabs too. Fully intentionally.