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| Mar-17-15 | | disasterion: There seem to be two pages for the Carlsen - Anand World Championship (2014) - this one: Carlsen - Anand World Championship (2014)
which has 155 pages of kibitzing and is linked into the History of the WCC, and this one: Carlsen - Anand World Championship (2014)
which has just two comments, and still has the mangled intro (corrected on the former page). |
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| Mar-18-15 | | MarkFinan: Daniel. Have you ever heard of "Sim chess?". It's the first I've heard, but from what I gather there's a prince and princess on the board, so you have a 100 square board!? There's a guy on twitter who's manufacturing the boards and pieces, here's a link anyway.. https://twitter.com/SimChess/status... I've asked him how you but I still don't understand what he's talking about! |
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Mar-18-15
 | | Domdaniel: < Ah, but note the Homer quote, while attributed, isn't properly sourced. > Even Homer nods.
Incidentally, a few years ago <mack> and I put together a set of chess quotes from unusual sources -- novels, etc, rather than chess books. I remember that William Burroughs and Thomas Pynchon were among them. We forwarded the list to CG, and several subsequently turned up as Quote of the Day.
I presume that anyone wishing to do something similar is welcome to do so. |
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| Mar-18-15 | | MarkFinan: Dom. I saw a great 7 min clip of William Burroughs being interviewed on YouTube last week. I'll find the clip and post it for you, he was really laid back even though the interviewer was really giving him a hard time over junk. |
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Mar-18-15
 | | chessgames.com: <disasterion> I was aware of the duplicate page but I didn't think anybody would discover it. I suppose now I have to go through the trouble of deleting it. Thanks. |
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Mar-18-15
| | chessgames.com: <Re: Quotes>
Winter's page on famous chess quotations (http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...) is very interesting. I was surprised to read that Philidor never said <Pawns are the soul of chess>, he said (in French, of course) <The Pawns: They are the very life of this game.> I read an article recently (I wish I could find the URL) on why quotations evolve over time; it's basically a Darwinist struggle for fitness. As simple example: Humphrey Bogart (playing Rick in Casablanca) never said <Play it again, Sam.> Bogart actually said <You played it for her, you can play it for me. ... If she can stand to listen to it, I can. Play it.> It's interesting to note that the shortened version embodies the actual quote: Rick was asking Sam to play it again (even though he never specifically said "again") and was talking to Sam (even though he never specifically called him by name). So the shortened quote was very accurate in terms of presenting the idea, and eliminated the portion that would only make sense to people familiar with the plot details. Now, which do you suppose would be memorable and succinct enough to disseminate itself into public consciousness? In short, when quotes mutate over time, it's usually for the best, at least in terms of expressing the idea. The newer versions tend to improve upon the older ones. With that in mind, we have somewhere in the quotes file Philidor declaring that "Pawns are the soul of chess." Given this new revelation, should it be fixed? |
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Mar-18-15
 | | OhioChessFan:
Yes. |
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Mar-18-15
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Admins>
Please, please do not ignore this note from the Biographer's Bistro from <tabanus>: <Some of my correction slips have not been processed in a month. I'm not going to wait forever for CG to process them, or beg them on my knees, so I put the London playoff up for voting, at Game Collection Voting.> As <Switch> pointed out a few months ago, <tabanus> has done the lion's share of work on preparing events for the Tournament Index over the last year. I'd estimate his work to be at least 90% or more of the output during that period. Therefore, it would be grand if you prioritized his correction slips, and the other requests he makes in order to complete his prepared events. Please don't risk losing the contributions of our latest "Best Historian" in the Caissar Awards. |
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Mar-18-15
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Re: evolving quotes.
I agree with <Ohio>. This notion- <In short, when quotes mutate over time, it's usually for the best, at least in terms of expressing the idea. The newer versions tend to improve upon the older ones.> is anathema to actual history. It's how history is turned into myth and even falsehood. |
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Mar-18-15
| | chessgames.com: Actually, now that I look at our quote file, we have two entries: The Pawns are the soul of the game. —Philidor
My chief intention is to recommend myself to the Public, by a novelty no one has thought of, or perhaps understood well; I mean how to play the pawns: they are the very life of this game. —Philidor So clearly, we eliminate the shorter one and the longer one stands correct. <Game corrections> Our apologies; Sargon has been on leave but he's back now. Look for work to be done shortly. |
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Mar-19-15
| | chessgames.com: <JFQ> I'm not advocating showing quotes that are known to be wrong or misattributed, I just think it's interesting how the majority of misquotes are often more well stated that the original. The subject of wrong attributions will always be an issue. There are many chess quotes that are attributed to several different masters, and the truth it was likely said by some amateur. Quotes only get "legs" when you put an important name by them. |
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Mar-19-15
 | | Annie K.: It's hard to be backwardly progressive around here... ;p |
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| Mar-19-15 | | disasterion: Very good point about the way quotations evolve; though their evolution is down to general interpretation rather than the original intent of the author, so I'd always incline towards being as accurate as possible. Re Philidor: <the pawns: they are the very life of this game> is just a translation from the first English edition of L’Analyze des Echecs. What Philidor said was <... les Pions: Ils sont l’âme des Echecs.> I'd translate <l’âme> as <soul> - it's more striking, and seems more exact. It's also the version everyone knows. So perhaps it doesn't need to be corrected. (Winter provides reproductions of the actual text in both French and English: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/....) |
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| Mar-19-15 | | zanzibar: First, thanks to <chessgames> for posting some nice portraits, Salome Reischer
Captain William Davies Evans
I think the Captain would be proud. |
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| Mar-19-15 | | zanzibar: As far as quotations go, I'm not so strict as some of my esteemed fellow biographers. I tend to agree with several of the points <chessgames> makes. I've draw the analogy between jazz and chess before, and this is another area where a parallel exists. For a light, engaging, and informative read is a good thing, and can lead people into a deep, exhaustive, comprehensive treatment, if so inclined. In jazz, having Porter's "Coltrane: His Life and Music" http://www.amazon.com/John-Coltrane... doesn't lessen the need or value of Thomas' "Chasing the Trane" http://www.amazon.com/Chasin-Trane-... And some measure of mythology is a welcome part of the folklore. Knowing there are inaccuracies in Brady's Fischer book is akin to those of Russell's "Bird Lives!" http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Lives-Ch... The issue of translation always introduces some creative license, and such license is truly welcomed when exercised in the proper hands. Compare Howard's version of "The Little Prince":
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Prince... which loses all the charm contained in Katherine Wood's stellar, and poetic, version: http://www.amazon.com/Little-Prince... http://www.amazon.com/LITTLE-PRINCE... It would truly be a sad day if Woods' version were to disappear for the sake of exactness, for it is Woods who captures the spirit of the book best. As far as the QotD (or QD for wannabe) - perhaps some semantic indication of the more questionable sources might suffice, "Who said this is not exactly known" ~<But likely it was NN> |
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Mar-19-15
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Annie>
Thanks for this-
<It's hard to be backwardly progressive around here... ;p> That's spot on, and I appreciate the humor. It's put me in a good mood this morning. |
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Mar-20-15
 | | Fusilli: <Annie K.: It's hard to be backwardly progressive around here... ;p> lol. Literally, this made me laugh out loud. |
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Mar-21-15
 | | Tabanus: <CG> Thanks for processing my slips! No big deal, but you left the page E H Price after transferring the games correctly to Hubert Ernest Price. If my kibitzing there gets lost, I can take it ;) |
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Mar-21-15
 | | Phony Benoni: There appears to be something odd about games assigned to Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Main line (E59). Specifically, there aren't any. But when you plug the moves given into the Internet Explorer, this page is reached: Opening Explorer |
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Mar-21-15
| | chessgames.com: <Phony> Thanks for pointing that out, for some reason all of the E59 games were defined with the FEN for E58. There are also 3 other ECO codes with no games, we'll have to take a look at them. |
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| Mar-22-15 | | zanzibar: Another example, similar to <Alexander Alexander> is provided by <R. Smith>: Advanced Search: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... ( Kinda miss, see message:
<Sorry, we have no names that exactly match 'R SMITH' in our database.> ) EZ Search: search "r smith" (hit) Actual player: R Smith (pid 34598) |
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| Mar-23-15 | | zanzibar: Here's an example where <E-Z Search> fails, and <Advanced Search> must be used: <J Meyer> 15611
<J Meyer> 112832
The <E-Z Search> only finds 15611 search "j meyer" |
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Mar-23-15
| | Annie K.: <cg> curious about the disappearance of the photo from the player page of Vladas Jonovich Mikenas - this page was recently renamed from Vladas Ivanovich Mikenas. Could this have anything to do with why it has no photo now, or did you decide to take it down for some other reason? The Evans photo looks great, btw! |
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Mar-23-15
| | chessgames.com: Thanks for pointing that out, when we rename players like that we have to rename the graphic file as well. There's a program that searches for orphaned graphics but we don't run it very often. |
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Mar-23-15
| | Annie K.: That explains things, thanks. :) |
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