| Feb-28-09 | | WhiteRook48: How much can I buy this guy for? |
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| Sep-27-12 | | sfm: The guy seems to have done what he can to pick out strong opponents. What a list! 19% score is actually a result to be proud of. |
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| Sep-27-12 | | Nosnibor: Here is a game from the 1930`s which does not show in the db because only games before this decade and after are installed. Price`s opponent was the strongest player in Leicester after H.E Atkins during the period 1920-1940 and won the Leicetershire Champioship a record number of times (15!) Played 3 Dec 1932 in Birmingham White H.E.Price(Staffordshire) Black V.H.Lovell(Leicestershire)Board 1 Scotch Gambit 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3d4 exd4 4Bc4 Bc5 50-0 d6 6c3 d3 7Qxd3 Nf6 8Bg5 0-0 9b4 Bb6 10Nbd2 Be6 11a4 a5 12b5 Ne5 13Nxe5 dxe5 14Qg3 Bxc4 15Nxc4 Nxe4 16Bxd8 Nxg3 17hxg3 Raxd8 18Nxe5 Rd5 19Rfe1 Rd2 20Ng4 Rfd8 21Kf1 Kf8 22Re2 h5 23Ne3 Bxe3 24Rxe3 Rc2 25Rae1 g6! 26Ree2 Rd1+ 27Re1 Rdd7 28Rf3 Ra2 29Rf4 Rdc7 30Kg1 Rxc3 31Re6 Ra1+ 32Kh2 Rcc1 33g4 h4 34g3 Rh1+ 35Kg2 h3+ 36Kf3 Rhd1 37Ref6 Rd7 38Resigns 0-1 R.I.P.Mr.Price. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Nosnibor> There are some typos in the game score which you have posted here. Is my version correct? [Event "Birmingham"]
[Site "Birmingham"]
[Date "1932.12.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Price, H. E."]
[Black "Lovell, V. H."]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C44"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bc5 5. O-O d6 6. c3 d3 7. Qxd3 Nf6 8. Bg5 O-O 9. b4 Bb6 10. Nbd2 Be6 11. a4 a5 12. b5 Ne5 13. Nxe5 dxe5 14. Qg3 Bxc4 15. Nxc4 Nxe4 16. Bxd8 Nxg3 17. hxg3 Raxd8 18. Nxe5 Rd5 19. Rfe1 Rd2 20. Ng4 Rfd8 21. Kf1 Kf8 22. Re2 h5 23. Ne3 Bxe3 24. Rxe3 Rc2 25. Rae1 g6 26. R1e2 Rd1+ 27. Re1 Rdd2 28. Rf3 Ra2 29. Rf4 Rdc2 30. Kg1 Rxc3 31. Re6 Ra1+ 32. Kh2 Rcc1 33. g4 h4 34. g3 Rh1+ 35. Kg2 h3+ 36. Kf3 Rhd1 37. Ref6 Rd7 0-1 |
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| Sep-28-12 | | Nosnibor: <Honza Cervenka> Your version is spot on.Thanks for pointing this out.Victor Lovell the winner of this game thought that this was one of the best games he had played. |
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Jan-07-25
 | | MissScarlett: Seeking confirmation that our chess player's name was <Hubert Ernest>. There's a <Hubert Edward Price>, stockbroker, who apparently lived in or about Birmingham his entire life. The National Probate calender gives his DOD as February 19th 1957, matching the one above, so evidently there's already a mix-up. |
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Apr-03-25
 | | Sally Simpson: BCM, 1957 page 90 have his obituary but throughout they refer to him as H.E. Price. They give 19th February 1957 as the date he died but say he was 78 years old (we have 79). |
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Apr-04-25
 | | jnpope: <MissScarlett: Seeking confirmation that our chess player's name was <Hubert Ernest>.> Harding gives "Hubert Ernest Price (1877–1957)" in his big book of Blackburne (page 453).
Gage gives:
Price, Hubert Ernest
* 1877 Ludlow, ENG
+ 19-02-1957 Birmingham, ENG
BCM, 1957, p.90
<England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915> has:
Hubert Ernest Price
Birth: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Ludlow, Shropshire, England
Does the BCM obituary mention Ludlow as his place of birth? I'm presuming so being that the BCM is the only source cited by Gage. From a family tree the Ludlow born Price had two brothers, Charles Edgar Price and Albert Sydney Price; and two sisters, Gertrude Olive Price and Mabel Winifred Price. All were children of Charles Price and Louisa Price (née Small). Are any of these people mentioned in the BCM obituary (Charles Edgar, Gertrude and Albert survived him)? |
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| Apr-04-25 | | stone free or die: (Reading <Sally>'s post, where BCM gives his age as 78, suggests they didn't list his dob. So Gaige likely had other sources I subsume.) |
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Apr-04-25
| | Sally Simpson: I'll check that BCM later to see if there is any further info but I'd say the BCM will have it correct and Edward is a typo. I was looking at the online BCM's and in the 1921 issue; https://archive.org/details/the-bri... (page 167) We have an amusing game H.E. Price v Edwards(!) no initial for this Edwards. Black thinks he has pulled off the Elephant Trap in the QGD but with a Knight on f3 it does not work. 
click for larger viewBlack played 7...Nxd5
I'll give the game here, an editor can decide what Edwards to put it under. ((I'm running late - have to go out. I got the exact date by proxy. The report says the event started on Saturday and continued on Easter Monday. In 1921 East Monday was the 21st. March.) [Event "Midland Counties Tournament"]
[Site "Birmingham ENG"]
[Date "1921.3.19"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Hubert Ernest Price"]
[Black "Edwards"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Source "BCM 1921 page 167"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bg5 b6 6. cxd5 exd5 7. Nxd5 Nxd5 8. Bxd8 Bb4+ 9. Nd2 On page 169 there is a H.E. Price v A.F. Kallaway game (no Kallaway in the D.B.) which I'll submit later in the normal way. The next task is to find out what A. F. stands for. He was a problem composer and has a problem in 'Award Winning Chess Problems' by Burt Hochberg. 
click for larger viewA.F. Kallaway 'Football Field' 1904. White to play and mate in 2. |
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Apr-04-25
| | MissScarlett: <Hubert Edward Price> was born on March 16th 1878 in Cradley Heath, a few miles from Birmingham. This means he was 78 when he died on February 19th 1957. Appears as if Gaige just conflated the death of <Hubert Edward> with the birth of <Hubert Ernest>. |
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Apr-04-25
| | MissScarlett: <Hubert Edward> lost a 20 year-old brother, Harold, who was cycling, to a drunk driver in 1906. The driver was sentenced to 9 months' imprisonment for manslaughter. He lost his 20 year-old son, Geoffrey, in July 1944, fighting the Germans in Normandy. |
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Apr-04-25
| | Sally Simpson: So Hubert Edward Price and Hubert Ernest Price both apparently born within a year of each other died on the same day in 1957....that was the day the prices went down. Arthur Francis Kallaway https://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pg... Just about to submit the game. Re-reading the article the Price- Edwards game was played on Monday 21st March. Two rounds were played that day. I'll see if I can get anymore info on which Edwards was Black, there are quite a few candidates. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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Apr-04-25
| | MissScarlett: We don't have a DOD for <Hubert Ernest>. There's nothing to connect him to Birmingham. |
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Apr-04-25
| | Sally Simpson: BCM have his <Hubert Ernest Price>DOD as the 19th Feb. 1957. You have said; Hubert Ernest Price (kibitz #6) 'There's a <Hubert Edward Price>, stockbroker, who apparently lived in or about Birmingham his entire life. The National Probate calender gives his DOD as February 19th 1957.' It appears you were referring to <Hubert Edward Price> dying on 19th of Feb 1957. |
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Apr-04-25
| | MissScarlett: <BCM> has <H E Price>, which I'm saying is <Hubert Edward Price>. What part of this don't you understand? |
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Apr-04-25
| | Sally Simpson: Jeremy Gage, Tim Harding and Britbase John have him as Ernest. Of course the latter two in all good faith could have copied it from Jeremy. Jeremy does not give a D.O.B for Ernest, that suggests he has not 'conflated' the two and was unaware of the <Edward> born in 1877 so he got the middle name from somewhere else. It looks very much like it's Edward but lets hang on till we get a valid chess source to determine what the actual 'E' stands for. (change it to Hubert E. Price for now....full price pending.) |
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Apr-11-25
| | jnpope: I did a little more digging on this...
Hubert Ernest Price:
1877 Ludlow, Shropshire (born)
1881 Kingsland, Herefordshire (census)
1901 Leominster, Herefordshire (census)
No records found regarding his death.
Hubert Edward Price:
1878 Cradley Heath, Worcestershire (born)
1891 Worcestershire (census)
1898 Birmingham (chess event residency)
1899 Birmingham (chess event residency)
1904 Staffordshire (chess event residency)
1905 Birmingham (chess event residency)
1939 Staffordshire (chess event residency)
1957 Birmingham (death)
<MissScarlett: <Hubert Edward Price> was born on March 16th 1878 in Cradley Heath, a few miles from Birmingham. This means he was 78 when he died on February 19th 1957.> The age of 78 is confirmed in the notice given:
<The death of H. E. Price at the age of 78 robs Birmingham of one of its most famous veterans.
For more than half-a-century he had been one of the strongest players in the district and throughout most of that period he took a high board in the matches for Staffordshire or the Birmingham Chess Club.>
source: <Birmingham Post & Gazette>, 1957.03.26, p13
<Sally Simpson: Jeremy Gage, Tim Harding and Britbase John have him as Ernest. Of course the latter two in all good faith could have copied it from Jeremy.> I believe Gaige (and thus Harding and Saunders) are all incorrect and our <MissScarlett> has correctly identified the chess playing H. E. Price. Being that two men named "Hubert E. Price" were born around the same time, someone could have easily mistaken the Shropshire born Price for the Cradley Heath born Price when Gaige was doing his research (pre-Internet/digital records). |
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| Apr-12-25 | | stone free or die: He's pictured in a group photo from <Ramsgate (1929)> sitting next to Sultan Khan. |
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| Apr-12-25 | | stone free or die: FWIW - we also have an address for him:
< 89 Clarke St.
Ladywood, Birmingham>
in August 1, 1896
https://books.google.com/books?id=K... |
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| Apr-12-25 | | stone free or die: Oh, and for completeness - a search on <"Hubert Edward Price" Birmingham> yields a single hit: <Stock-Exchange Yearbook (1930)> for a page headed <Birmingham>. Unfortunately, it's just a snippet view and I have little to add beyond the above. |
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