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Feb-03-22
 | | Caisso: It is a gigantic task indeed since many of the bios have been neglected for around 4 years or so, some even more. For sure this lack of updates for so long makes it a real challenge. |
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Feb-03-22
 | | Caisso: To answer MissScarlets' question.. I use Chess365, Chess24 and Chessbase as game sources. Dan used Chess365 also. If it was good enough for him i suppose is good enough for cg. But all suggestions are very wellcome. |
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Feb-03-22 | | fabelhaft: I guess there is just a lack of editors doing this sort of updates in general. Caruana has been #2 on 55 rating lists, but the result of his title match against Carlsen is too recent to be mentioned in his bio. It is still updated unusually recently results wise, only the last four years are missing. |
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Feb-03-22
 | | saffuna: Any chance of ever getting the Wesley So bio updated even a little bit? |
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Feb-03-22
 | | Tabanus: Edit History says Caisso has updated about 40 bios in 20 days. All of them blue copies from Wikipedia. I could do that in one hour. Example: Daniel Dardha. |
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Feb-03-22
 | | Caisso: Better than nothing at all. I also update their games. That is what chess players want. More people are checking on potd since i started three months ago. They see the difference. I call them the silent majority. |
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Feb-03-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
Might be a good idea to hire <Tabanus> since it's crystal clear he knows exactly how to do this particular job. Why waste a domestic talent pool like <Tab> and <Stonehenge>... I am sure there are other useful tasks <Caisso> could more profitably spend his time on? <twinlark> used to keep every current player page updated for years eh? He quit shortly after <Daniel> died, citing the unfortunate outburst of incredibly rude behavior that erupted. Surely that was a low point for cg.com... we were really bleeding then, looked like we might even bleed out... Luckily <Susan> stepped up to the plate and saved us, something we should never forget eh? Let's strive for a better point now-- there is lots of talent and hard workers around here why not make better use of them? Instructing your hires to pay close attention to the errors <Tabanus> and <Stonehenge> have been pointing out for weeks now would make a good start. If <Caisso> is going to continue updating player bios and tournaments, he should at the very least be in close communication with <Tabanus> and/or <Stonehenge>. He can learn the job on the job then. |
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Feb-03-22
 | | Caisso: I will take a look at the Wesley So bio. See what i can do. Will do this tomorrow. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Caisso: Updating bios and tournaments is not rocket science. Yes, i made errors, specially at the beginning. But i am getting the hang of it. Anyone will like to congratulate me on expanding the database? Again, this is what chess players want. After all is called chessgames.com for a reason. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Susan Freeman: <Jess> call me, eh?
I have mentioned your suggestions for weeks.
Thank you for your support. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | OhioChessFan: I think the cost/benefit ratio of working on the So bio dictates you spend time elsewhere. It's a disaster, I've commented on it, but surely there are some site-wide issues you could work on instead. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Updating bios and tournaments is not rocket science.> Copy and pasting biographies from Wikipedia, if that's what you're doing, is certainly not OK. I always find potted bios tricky to compose, the few I've attempted. There's no simple template one can apply. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Susan Freeman: <OCF> you are correct.
that so bio will never change.
I will send Caisso a text.
I have spent many hours reading Daniel and So email. it remains as it is
. lets not open a hornet's nest. |
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Feb-04-22 | | Z free or die: What does <CG> want to be? Do you want to duplicate wiki? Do you want to be a ready platform for GM fansites? Do you want to be an instruction site? Do you want to be the best historical site on the net? What should <CG> be? One critical decision <Daniel> made early in its historical is what he didn't want <CG> to be - i.e. a platform for members playing chess games against each other online. A caveat one should consider - what it should be must match the realities of what it could be.
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Feb-04-22
 | | Susan Freeman: <Zed> oh wise one.. what do you suggest i do.
throw in the towel and sell it to the highest bidder?
You have many criticisms and no help.
send me your CV and I will hire you. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Caisso> It's hard to muster much support for your efforts, however well met, when the evidence stacks up against you. I noticed that your additions to player bios are not made in correct formal English, as they should be in any published work that means to be taken seriously. This is not acceptable. I can see from your most recent posts on this page that you are in the habit of writing English with an informality bordering on uneducated. Example:
<Updating bios and tournaments is not rocket science. Yes, i made errors, specially at the beginning. But i am getting the hang of it. Anyone will like to congratulate me on expanding the database? Again, this is what chess players want. After all is called chessgames.com for a reason.> Writing in this fashion in your posts is one thing, though even there it doesn't do much for any gravitas or attention to detail. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence. You can't write like that in a player bio, end of story. So your informal English can easily be fixed by just refusing to be sloppy and lazy, as you were in your post. You need to write English like this if you want to have any credibility as an editor who writes text on any chess page: <Updating bios and tournaments is not rocket science. Yes, <<<I>>> made errors, <<<e>>>specially at the beginning. But <<<I>>> am getting the hang of it. <<<Would anyone>>> like to congratulate me on expanding the database? Again, this is what chess players want. After all <<<it is>>> called chessgames.com for a reason.> There's certainly no shame either if English is not your first language. But if you can't- or worse, won't- write proper English on the actual tournament and bio pages, then you shouldn't be writing anything on them at all. |
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Feb-04-22 | | George Wallace: This is hilarious!
100% LOLS!
I could make some suggestions, but I won't bother, since no one would listen anyway. (I'll just kick back and watch this episode of Keystone Chess Cops and munch popcorn.) |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Tabanus: <Anyone will like to congratulate me on expanding the database?> What does this expansion consist of. I've only found dozens of duplicate games. Can you list a few GM games that are actually <new>? |
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Feb-04-22
 | | saffuna: Why not look at the current strengths of chessgames and focus on improving them? 1. Large database of master games. (Expand it.)
2. Members can comment on the games, tournaments, etc. among themselves. The setup is simple and easy to use. 3. An easy-to-use opening database.
The bios are less important, as the administration has openly admitted that their accuracy is not a priority. Oops forgot...
4. Members can learn to deal with the pain of rejection, as their astonishingly brilliant puns are ignored day after day, month after month. |
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Feb-04-22 | | Z free or die: <Susan> RE: "no help" From your perspective I suppose that's a fair critique. <Daniel> made a similar comment as yours, not so long ago. I wish I could find it - though he clearly acknowledged my, let's say, "good intentions". Perhaps my "bedside manners" aren't so swell, but I am trying to help - even when I'm at my, shall we say, most caustic. Let's leave it there for the moment. |
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Feb-04-22 | | George Wallace: Nobody cares about the Wesley So bio page. Put it at the very bottom of the list. What members really care about: 1. Having ongoing top tournaments on the homepage. 2. Live games.
3. Adding lots of new master level games to the database. 4. The opening explorer.
5. Puzzle of the Day
6. Game of the day.
As long as there are live games, <CG> will be a place people go to watch them. As long as new games are always being added to the DB, this will continue to be a valuable resource. The rest is just little stuff that only the NIBBLE NOBBERS complain about. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Z> I would argue that your criticisms are in and of themselves helpful. Voicing your criticisms is helpful. If nobody knows about vexing issues that need to be fixed, then how will <Susan> know what to do? |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Caisso: I agree with those top 6. Makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately we could not get our usual pgn link from TWIC today. Not sure why they are not covering it yet. |
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Feb-04-22
 | | Susan Freeman: < George > the opening explorer is one of the most valued by members. I never knew at first. |
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Feb-04-22 | | George Wallace: Just out of curiosity, who is in charge of writing player bios? Who has written the most player bios up until now? Does anyone agree that one person is the best at writing player bios? |
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