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lostemperor
Member since Feb-18-03 · Last seen Feb-02-25
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<FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS' CONTEST FORUM>

Predict the final standings of Tata Steel tournament January 12

Format example to post your predictions

1.Caruana
1. Erigaisi
3. Gukesh
4. Abdusattorov
5. Wei Yi
5. Harikrishna
5. Praggnanandhaa
8. Giri
9. Keymer
10. Fedoseev
11.Van Foreest
12. Sarina
12. Warmerdam
12. Mendonca

Good Luck!


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Some years ago I came up with a new but simple system to calculate the final standings of a tournament including all players. This is how it goes:

For each correct standing you'll get a maximum amount of points. Each prediction deviation from the actual player standing in the tournament, will deduct one point from your total (ABSOLUTE RANKER).

In case of a shared player's standing the average standing counts (both actual and in your predictions).

The SQUARE RANKER, squares your predictions' deviations. Here only medals are awarded if the winner s is not the same person s as in the absolute ranker.

Same goes for the The PAIR BETTING RANKER compare all possible pair outcomes of the tournament participants.

The three best predictions will get Real Virtual Gold Silver and Bronze!

Note: only one set of medals is awarded (in the absolute ranker) unless another ranker produces a different winner.

Special thanks to <YouRang> who made a software to calculate these numbers.

Our new contest manager for game results prediction User: Golden Executive during the tournament also ([1-0], [1/2], [0-1])!

or predict the # of moves in User: ohiochessfan organized by <chessmoron>

Enjoy!


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<HALL <OF> FAME>

WannaBe 10♔ 5♕ 4♖

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♔♔♔♔♕♕♕♖Aurora
♔♔♔♔♕♕♖suenteus po 147
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♔♔♔♕♕♕♖♖♖lostemperor
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖♖♖chessmoron
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖rogge
♔♔♔♕♕♖cromat
♔♔♔♕♖Robin01
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♔♔♕♕♕♖percyblakeney
♔♔♕♖♖♖yalie
♔♔♕♖wordfunph
♔♔♕♖Ragh
♔♔♕♖Ezzy
♔♔Golden Executive
♔♔SloVice
♔♔positionalgenius
♔♔amadeus

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♔♕♕♕♕♖♖OhioChessFan
♔♕♕♖Diademas
♔♕♖nimh
♔♕♖ahmadov
♔♕♖CHESSBOOKIE
♔♕Keysersoze
♔♕Where is my mind
♔♕Appaz
♔♖♖moronovich*
♔♖Golden Executive*
♔♖Montreal1666
♔♖Troewa

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♔Beholder
♔juan31
♔wtwz
♔Twinlark
♔SoUnwiseTheKnight B4
♔NGambit
♔benjinathan
♔DCP23
♔firebyrd
♔kellmano
♔Stonehenge
♔cu8sfan
♔larrewl
♔babakova
♔djmercury
♔mikejaqua
♔Joshka,
♔SnoopDogg
♔Like a GM

*may be incomplete

♔ Gold
♕ Silver
♖ Bronze


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   lostemperor has kibitzed 7712 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-02-25 lostemperor chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: <Keyser Soze>,<0ZeR0>,<Penguincw> won gold each! Congratulations!
 
   Apr-20-24 Golden Executive chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: It is fixed! I had an expert looking at it.
 
   Jan-18-24 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: Betcha you. Right damn
 
   Jan-11-24 Tata Steel Masters (2024) (replies)
 
lostemperor: ♔♕♖ Announcement ♔♕♖ Join the annual Tata Teel Chess final standings prediction contest at lostemperor chessforum 1. Ding 2. Nepomniachtchi 3. Firouzja 4, Giri 5. Praggnanandhaa 6. Maghsoodloo 7. Vidit 8.Wei 9. Abdusattorov
 
   Feb-26-23 WR Chess Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: The predictions' winners on the final standings of WR Chess on my forum <Penquincw>♔, <Golden Executive>♔, <Chesschronicle22>♕, <OhioChessFan>♕, <Messiah>♖
 
   Jan-30-23 Tata Steel Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: Winners of the TATA STEEL CHESS 2023 FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTION'S CONTEST at my forum <Firouzjias>♔♔♖, <tuttifrutty>♔♕♖, <lostemperor>♕♕, <Messiah>♖
 
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FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS

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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 72 OF 285 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Feb-10-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Most unorthodox Linares 2009 predictions:

1. <YouRang>
1. <just a kid>
3. <iron maiden>

I will make an update of this ranker shortly after Linares begins!

Feb-10-09  nimh: 1.Carlsen
2.Anand
3.Aronian
4.Ivanchuk
5.Radjabov
6.Dominguez
7.Grischuk
8.Wang Yue
Feb-10-09  Aurora: Predict Linares Final Standings:

1. Aronian
2. Anand
3. Carlsen
4. Radjabov
5. Dominguez
6. Ivanchuk
7. Wang Yue
8. Grischuk

Feb-11-09  cromat: and here my pred:
1. Anand
2. Aronian
3. Carlsen
4. Ivanchuk
5. Radjabov
6. Grischuk
7. Dominguez
8. Wang Yue
Feb-11-09  notyetagm: Predicted Linares 2009 Final Standings:

1. Carlsen
2. Aronian
3. Anand <- rusty from layoff
4. Radjabov
5. Dominguez
6. Ivanchuk
7. Grischuk
8. Wang Yue

Feb-12-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <cromat> your ALPHABET order proposal can be as good as any hehehe!

I was thinking again of <EXPERIENCE> vs <YOUTH> which I have done before.

EXPERIENCE, looking at age but now also somewhat at amount of top tournament participation order:

<EXPERIENCE>
1. Ivanchuk
1. Anand
3. Aronian
4. Grischuk
5. Radjabov
6. Carlsen
7. Dominguez
8. Wang Yue

<YOUTH>
1. Carlsen
2. Radjabov
3. Wang Yue
4. Dominguez
5. Grischuk
6. Aronian
7. Anand
8. Ivanchuk

Feb-12-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <cromat> did I accidently deleted your <ALPHABET> order?!!

<ALPHABET> by cromat!:)

1. Anand
2. Aronian
3. Carlsen
4. Dominguez
5. Grischuk
6. Ivanchuk
7. Radjabov
8. Wang Yue

Sorry about that.

Feb-12-09  ahmadov: Good you reminded me about this contest, <lost>! I am about to post my predictions in a few minutes...
Feb-12-09  ahmadov: My predictions:

1. Anand
2. Radjabov
3. Carlsen
4. Aronian
5. Ivanchuk
6. Wang Yue
7. Grischuk
8. Dominguez

Feb-12-09  DCP23: Linares 2009 predictions:

1-3. Carlsen
1-3. Aronian
1-3. Anand
4-6. Radjabov
4-6. Grischuk
4-6. Dominguez
7. Ivanchuk
8. Wang Yue

Feb-12-09  Robin01: My Linares Predictions:
1-2 Carlsen
1-2 Aronian
3- Anand
4-5 Ivanchuk
4-5 Radjabov
6- Grischuk
7- Dominguez
8- Wang Yue

Feb-12-09  YouRang: <lostemperor> I've been working on some enhancements to CONMAN -- especially on the "Final Standings" side of it which you use.

In particular, there is a new type of Final Standings ranker, which is similar to the "Betting Ranker" report that I use in the game predictions contest. It's called the <Pair Betting> ranker.

The idea behind it as as follows:

Suppose you submit your predictions for the final standings, such as:

1. Leko
2. Adams
3. Polgar
3. Dreev
5. Kamsky
6. Bacrot

This can be viewed as a series of bets on every *pair* of players. For instance for the pair "Adams-Kamsky", you have predicted that Adams will finish above Kamsky. For Dreev-Leko, you have Dreev finishing below Leko. For "Dreev-Polgar", you have predicted that they will finish tied.

If there are 6 players (like in MTel), there will be a total of 15 such pairings. If 8 players (like Linares), there will be 28 pairings. For 14 players (like Corus) there will be 91 such pairings!

In the "Pair Betting" ranker, each contestant who submits a final standings prediction is considered to have wagered a $1 bet on each pairing. So, if there are 20 contestants, then there will be $20 wagered on each pairing. The $20 wagered on a particular pairing will ultimately be divided up between those who predicted that pairing correctly.

If a lot of people (say, 15 of 20) got it right, then the payoff for that pairing will be small ($20/15 = $1.33). But if only one person got it right, then he or she wins the whole $20 (like a jackpot). Of course, if you predicted wrong, you lose $1 for that pairing.

Note that predicting ties is a little risky since the players must finish with the exact same score for you to win. Then again, if you're right, you have a good chance to win big.

It's also possible that there will be a pairing result that nobody predicted. In that case, all the money wagered on that pairing will be refunded.

The "Pair Betting" ranker can be very volatile. Conceivably, you can be in 1st place after 10 rounds, and in last place after 11 rounds!

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Other improvements:

- I think I've fixed the problem with people getting negative scores. I had a bug in the maximum score calculation.

- It now uses your original method of evaluating the rank of ties. For example, if two people are tied for 4th, then for the sake of calculations, they both have a rank of 4.5 (rather than 4).

- You can now keep the standings for all completed rounds in your YRC file, and select which round you want to use in the report. (I'll send you an example via email).

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I'll send you the revised software later today or tomorrow...

Feb-12-09  NakoSonorense: Linares Prediction:

1. Radjabov
2. Anand
3. Aronian
4. Ivanchuk
5. Dominguez
6. Grischuk
7. Carlsen
8. Wang Yue

Feb-13-09  ahmadov: Hi <lost>, are you ok? I saw you in my dream today :-)
Feb-13-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Linares:

1. Anand
2. Carlsen
2. Aronian
4. Radjabov
4. Ivanchuk
4. Grischuk
7. Dominguez
7. Wang Yue

Feb-13-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <ahmadov> Really?!! I hope it was a good dream?!:)
Feb-13-09  kellmano: My Linares Predictions:
1 Ivanchuk
2-4 Anand
2-4 Radjabov
2-4 Dominguez
5-7 Aronian
5-7 Carlsen
5-7 Grischuk
8- Wang Yue
Feb-13-09  TheGladiatres: Predicton:

1. Carlsen
2. Anand
3-5. Aronian
3-5. Ivanchuk
3-5. Radjabov
6. Wang Yue
7-8. Dominguez
7-8. Grischuk

Feb-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Wow, <YouRang> I totally missed your post yesterday! It seems that Ahmadov's dream has gotten to me ;) I did saw your mail and will work on it asap to use it for Linares. Pretty awesome, a betting ranker in the final standings predicitons!
Feb-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: <YouRang: - It now uses your original method of evaluating the rank of ties. For example, if two people are tied for 4th, then for the sake of calculations, they both have a rank of 4.5 (rather than 4).>

This is a pretty important change and means a whole new predicting attitude will be required, so I'd like to know clearly -

1) Does this apply to both predicted ranks and actual ranks?

2) Does this mean we'll be seeing strange fractions in our scores soon?

Feb-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <Switch> I don't think it makes more than a tiny difference whether the average standing is counted or the highest. I also assume the average standing count for both the predictions and actual standings.

The new software can make a difference if you want to make a risk. eg. Grischuk finishing higher than Carlsen for big buck$.

Feb-14-09  YouRang: <SwitchingQuylthulg><This is a pretty important change and means a whole new predicting attitude will be required, so I'd like to know clearly ->

<1) Does this apply to both predicted ranks and actual ranks?>

Yes, it applies to both.

<2) Does this mean we'll be seeing strange fractions in our scores soon?>

No. Since the "half ranks" always come in pairs, they sum to whole numbers when the differences are added together.

<lostemperor> BTW, in the new "Pair Betting" ranker, the report will also show all of the "large payoff" pairs and who won them (similar to Betting Ranker in my forum).

Feb-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: <lostemperor: I don't think it makes more than a tiny difference whether the average standing is counted or the highest. I also assume the average standing count for both the predictions and actual standings.>

Even a tiny difference could be crucial. But the difference in optimal strategy will be more than tiny. And this is why.

Obviously, with the average rank taken, the average final rank of all players will always and without exception be located exactly in the middle of first and last, for instance, 4.50 this Linares. Previously, because of ties, it was a pretty safe bet that the average final rank of all players would be <notably closer> to first than last - with the result that it was a very sensible strategy to also bring down the average <predicted> rank of players by introducing a multitude of ties there, too. Furthermore, even more importantly, because of the disparity in ranks (it was guaranteed that at least one player would be ranked 1, while quite possible nobody would be ranked 8, or 14, or however many players took part; furthermore, predicted ties in the lower half brought players there closer to the "safety" of average while predicted ties in the upper half took them <further> from it) it made very much sense to introduce those ties specifically <in the lower half>. All such often contest-deciding disparity-based tactics will be out of the window with the new software. For a practical example, you will find that the predictions I already submitted include a three-way tie for last place and no ties in the upper half, precisely and only because of this disparity and its effects - indeed, if the new software with its new rules will be used for Linares, I will have to completely reconsider the placing, if any, of ties in my predictions.

Feb-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: <YouRang: No. Since the "half ranks" always come in pairs, they sum to whole numbers when the differences are added together.>

Not squared.

Feb-14-09  YouRang: <SwitchingQuylthulg: <YouRang: No. Since the "half ranks" always come in pairs, they sum to whole numbers when the differences are added together.>

Not squared.>

Correct -- if the "least-squares" method is used, there is a chance that the sum of the squares could be a fractional value. However, the report will round to the nearest integer.

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