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Phony Benoni
Member since Feb-10-06 · Last seen Jun-11-22
Greetings, O Seeker After Knowledge! You have arrived in Dearborn, Michigan (whether you like it or not), and are reading words of wisdom from a player rated 2938--plus or minus 1000 points.

However, I've retired from serious play--not that I ever took playing chess all that seriously. You only have to look at my games to see that. These days I pursue the simple pleasures of finding games that are bizarre or just plain funny. I'd rather enjoy a game than analyze it.

For the record, my name is David Moody. This probably means nothing to you unless you're a longtime player from Michigan, though it's possible that if you attended any US Opens from 1975-1999 we might have crossed paths. Lucky you.

If you know me at all, you'll realize that most of my remarks are meant to be humorous. I do this deliberately, so that if my analysis stinks to High Heaven I can always say that I was just joking.

As you can undoubtedly tell from my sparkling wit, I'm a librarian in my spare time. Even worse, I'm a cataloger, which means I keep log books for cattle. Also, I'm not one of those extroverts who sit at the Reference Desk and help you with research. Instead, I spend all day staring at a computer screen updating and maintaining information in the library's catalog. The general public thinks Reference Librarians are dull. Reference Librarians think Catalogers are dull.

My greatest achievement in chess, other than tricking you into reading this, was probably mating with king, bishop and knight against king in a tournament game. I have to admit that this happened after an adjournment, and that I booked up like crazy before resuming. By the way, the fact I have had adjourned games shows you I've been around too long.

My funniest moment occurred when I finally got a chance to pull off a smothered mate in actual play. You know, 1.Nf7+ Kg8 2.Nh6+ Kh8 3.Qg8+ Rxg8 4.Nf7#. When I played the climactic queen check my opponent looked at the board in shocked disbelief and said, "But that's not mate! I can take the queen!"

Finally, I must confess that I once played a positional move, back around 1982. I'll try not to let that happen again.

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   Phony Benoni has kibitzed 18634 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jun-11-22 M Blau vs Keres, 1959 (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: Not a good recommendation for the DERLD. Out of 59 moves, White makes only three in Black's half of the board. And two of those conist of 3.Bb5 and 6.Bxc6.
 
   Jun-11-22 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: Er, it's back. Karpov vs Timman, 1988
 
   Jun-10-22 Orlo Milo Rolo
 
Phony Benoni: Marco!
 
   Jun-10-22 Lilienthal vs Bondarevsky, 1947
 
Phony Benoni: Another one for you King Hunters. Black's monarch travels fron g8 to b8, then takes the Great Circle Route back to h3 before calling it a day.
 
   Jun-10-22 GrahamClayton chessforum (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: <GrahamClayton> I've posted a question for you at L T Magee vs J Holland, 1948
 
   Jun-10-22 L T Magee vs E L Holland, 1948 (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: <GrahamClayton> The source you cite, <Chess Review, May 1948, p. 24>, gives Black's name as <E Holland> "Chess Life" (June 5, 1948, p. 1) has a table of results giving <E L Holland>. That form also appears in USCF rating supplements for a player fro ...
 
   Jun-09-22 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: SkinnVer Here Among the Fold?
 
   Jun-09-22 Flohr vs Bondarevsky, 1947 (replies)
 
Phony Benoni: Black's bishop makes me think of Godzilla emerging from the depths of the ocean to wreak havoc. However, in the end it's his Two Little Friends who steal the show. Well, maybe not so litt.
 
   Jun-06-22 W Ritson-Morry vs G T Crown, 1947
 
Phony Benoni: it was the last round. Rison-Morry was mired in last place. These things happen.
 
   Jun-06-22 W Adams vs M Kagan, 1947
 
Phony Benoni: Some more informztion. The game was published in <Chess Review>, March 1948, p. 23. Black's name is given as "M Kagan", and the location as "Massachusetts". There is no other game data, but I think we can now safely assume Black is <Milton Kagan>. Earlier in the ...
 
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Jul-17-16
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  Phony Benoni: Oh, darn. And here I thought I had made a new friend.
Jul-17-16
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  WannaBe: Sumthin' funny going on in San Diego. It's not funny is you are SFG fan.
Jul-17-16
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  WannaBe: Never mind, SD still have not pitch'd a no-no.
Jul-17-16
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  keypusher: <saffuna>. Ok. Guess I am immune to embarrassment. :-)
Jul-17-16
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  saffuna: Different order of magnitude.
Jul-17-16
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  Penguincw: And the Nats fall to 0-2 in 18 inning games (while the franchise is in Washington). The other loss was G2 of the 2014 NLDS.

< WannaBe: Yesterday, we had a balk-off SF/SD, today, we have a pass-ball-off MIL/CIN. Go fig. >

What kind of walk-off ____ has NOT happened yet? There have been walk-off 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, and BB, HBP, E, SF, passed balls, wild pitch. I'm sure there's also walk-off balks, sacrifice bunt and walk-off steal.

I tried thinking of a walk-off that has never happened before. There has been walk off obstruction, if you count G3 of the 2013 WS. I thought walk-off catcher's interference hasn't happened before, but apparently it has: http://www.hardballtimes.com/15-wor....

Looking at all the other interferences, walk-off umpire or spectator interference is possible, though I'm not sure that has happened before. Walk-off infield fly rule is also possible, but it'll require an error - rather on a fielder, or the baserunner.

Jul-17-16
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  saffuna: I doubt there's been a walk-off intentional pass.

How can there be a walk-off double or triple? Maybe a ground rule double.

Jul-17-16
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  Penguincw: < saffuna: I doubt there's been a walk-off intentional pass. >

Yeah, good point.

< How can there be a walk-off double or triple? Maybe a ground rule double. >

Say, winning run on 1st with 1 out in both cases. For walk-off 2B, just hit the ball into the gap or whatever, and reach 2B before the run scores, and it's a walk-off 2B.

Same thing for triple, but you have to get to third before the run scores.

Pretty useful to go to second or third base in case the runner is thrown out at the plate. Since there would then only be 2 outs, there's still another runner in scoring position.

I think you get what I'm trying to say.

Jul-17-16
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  saffuna: <Say, winning run on 1st with 1 out in both cases. For walk-off 2B, just hit the ball into the gap or whatever, and reach 2B before the run scores, and it's a walk-off 2B.>

I did not know that. I thought it was either a home run, or a single. But that makes sense.

There was all sorts of confusion at the last inning of Harvey Haddix's 12-inning perfect game in 1959, Joe Adcock hit a home run with two on, but passed Henry Aaron between second and third, and was called out. Aaron thought the ball had hit the fence and so it didn't matter.

I think Adcock was credited with a double, so there's a walk-off double right there.

Jul-18-16
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  Penguincw: < saffuna: ... There was all sorts of confusion at the last inning of Harvey Haddix's 12-inning perfect game in 1959, Joe Adcock hit a home run with two on, but passed Henry Aaron between second and third, and was called out. Aaron thought the ball had hit the fence and so it didn't matter. >

What are MLB's rules for this though? Obviously the winning run has to score, and I imagine the batter has to at least hit first. But it seems that if a runner misses a base, even on an outside the park home run, he is out, on an appeal (assuming he didn't quickly go back and step on it). Must be pretty difficult to step on the plate if one hits a walk-off homerun and got teammates surrounding and mobbing you.

Speaking of which, there's another kind of walk-off: fielder's choice/force out. So say runners on the corners (winning run at 3rd), 1 out. Ground ball, throw to 2nd, runner there out, throw to 1st is late, runner on 3rd scores.

Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: Here's a description of the play:

<Double to CF (Deep CF-RF); Mantilla Scores/unER; Aaron to 3B; Adcock out at 2B/SS; Joe Adcock hit the ball into the right center stands for a homerun, but was declared out for passing Henry Aaron between 2B and 3B; Aaron thought the ball had landed inside the fence; 1B Umpire Frank Dascoli ruled the final score was 2 to 0 but was overruled by NL President Warren Giles who said that since it was only a double, then only one run was needed to win the game;>

With less than two out the batter wouldn't even have to touch first. With two out the batter would need to touch first, unless the ball was hit out of the park. In theory at least. Once the teams leave the field, I doubt it matters.

Merkle's Boner occurred when Merkle didn't touch second base in a key game in 1908. People were running all over the field, I guess, Merkle didn't run from first to second, and later he was called out.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b...

Jul-18-16
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  WannaBe: Walk-off Triple would be virtually impossible, unless I'm the (winning) runner on first...

Walk-off IBB would be impossible. =)

Jul-18-16
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  OhioChessFan: <Say, winning run on 1st with 1 out in both cases. For walk-off 2B, just hit the ball into the gap or whatever, and reach 2B before the run scores, and it's a walk-off 2B. Same thing for triple, but you have to get to third before the run scores.>

I don't recall a scoring rule, whereby the batter would have to get to 2nd/3rd before the runner scored to be credited with a double/triple.

Jul-18-16
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  OhioChessFan: <saff: With two out the batter would need to touch first, unless the ball was hit out of the park.>

I don't recall a scoring rule where that's the case. I am pretty sure he has to touch first. I need to look a few of these things up.

Jul-18-16
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  OhioChessFan: <Wannabe: <Walk-off IBB would be impossible. =) >

2020 season, new rule in effect to qualify for playoffs, run differential is a tiebreaker. Team in field is 2 runs up on team at bat for last playoff spot. Bases loaded, team in field won't chance a hit scoring 2 or more runs, so they intentionally walk the batter to lose the game, but only by 1 run, ergo, qualify for playoffs.

Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: <I don't recall a scoring rule where that's the case. I am pretty sure he has to touch first. I need to look a few of these things up.>

You are probably right. I was thinking, with less than two out, the run would count even if the batter is thrown out at first.

Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: <2020 season, new rule in effect to qualify for playoffs, run differential is a tiebreaker. Team in field is 2 runs up on team at bat for last playoff spot.>

I did not know that either. I really dislike that rule. As far as I am concerned, you win or you lose, one run or ten runs. It also gives an advantage to a team with a great offense (wins and loses 8.4) over the team with great pitching (wins or loses 3-2).

Jul-18-16
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  OhioChessFan: Don't worry, I was just inventing a hypothetical where a team would issue an IBB to lose a game.
Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: No, I think it's a really bad rule. It will probably never be used, but still...
Jul-18-16
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  Phony Benoni: The National Hockey League used to have total goals scored as an early tiebreaker. Used to..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969%...

I saw the game where Roger Crozier faced 65 shots and gave up nine goals. He was magnificent. Seriously. The Rangers should have scored 20.

Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: Total goals are a major tiebreaker in soccer, and it's just accepted. When there are home and away matches in tournaments such as the Champions League, it's not really two games but one long game with a week-long halftime.

Years ago the NFL had point difference as a tiebreaker; maybe they still do. In any case one year (in the first game after a strike, so maybe 1982) the 49ers were winning easily with 30 seconds left and the ball. Montana faked the kneel-down, and tried to throw a bomb for a TD.

It failed, but of course the other team was upset. Walsh's excuse? "It's a short season, point difference may matter."

Jul-18-16
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  WannaBe: <saffuna> Total pts (differential) is still used by NFL, but it's like the 6th tie-breaker.

Two Clubs:

•Head-to-head, if applicable.

•Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

•Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

•Strength of victory.

•Strength of schedule.

•Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Jul-18-16
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  WannaBe: 11 games from Sunday ended with run differential of 2 or more.

I need to start keep track of this in case I want to (keep) dabbling in this (reverse) run line wagering.

Jul-18-16
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  saffuna: <wannabe> I think it was similar in 1982. Walsh was just making a lame excuse.
Jul-18-16
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  Penguincw: < OCF: [Walk off 2B,3B, blah blah blah] I don't recall a scoring rule, whereby the batter would have to get to 2nd/3rd before the runner scored to be credited with a double/triple. >

Well I imagine it has to be the case, but maybe the rule actually is if the runner would've made it to 2nd/3rd/whatever anyway (i.e. if there were no runners on), then that batter is credited with that base.

Of course, once the winning run has scored, and the batter already touched at least first base, there's no point in advancing further. Walk-off 2B and 3B pretty much have to come with winning run on 1st.

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I'm surprised NBA has point differential tiebreak too, sort of:

< TIEBREAKER BASIS WHEN TWO TEAMS ARE TIED:

(1A) Better winning percentage in games against each other

...

(7A) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (point differential). >

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_r...

NHL also has it. Their tiebreaks between tied teams are 1) Fewer games played 2) Greater number of games won in regulation+overtime (so not shootout) 3) Better H2H record (basically, but it's more complicated than that) 4) Larger Goal differential

https://www.nhl.com/standings

Hooray for baseball for not having it. But imagine if in the past, baseball had installed it, and that MLB's first tiebreaker was run differential.

The most recent time a playoff team had an equal record with another team was in 2014, as PIT and SF both were 88-74. PIT was the home team because they went 4-2 vs. SF that year. But SF had a run differential of +51 (665 RF - 614 RA), but so did PIT (682 RF - 631 RA = +51). Now what? And remember, MadBum and the Giants ended up defeating the Pirates and 3 other teams to win the World Series that year.

In 2013, there was Game 163 after TEX and TB both finished 91-61. What happened was that TB won that game in TEX, then the Wild-Card game, before losing to eventual World Series Champions in the ALDS. Run differentials: TEX +94, TB +54. If TEX had advanced straight to the Wild Card game in CLE, one of those teams would've advanced, and faced the Red Sox, and they might've eliminated BOS. Remember, TB had to use <2> pitchers to get to that point, whereas the winner would've only used <1>.

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