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Nov-10-17
 | | Phony Benoni: <MissScarlett>Thanks for the game. Yes, the possibility of 22.Qxe8+ also disturbed me. Onr possibility is that Elliot saw 22.Qxe8+ Rxe8 23.Rxe8+ Kd7 and only considered moving the rook. After, say, 23.Rf8 Bxf4+ 24.Kb1 Be6, Black is fine. I'll certainly keep a note in my records about the uncertainty of the score. |
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Nov-11-17
| | Phony Benoni: <zaanzibar> Looking tonight through some resources to which I recently gained access, I found the game in the "Minneapolis Star Tribune", Sunday, August 18, 1901, complete with all the typos and other mistakes. It was described at the "last game of the tournament", so I assume it was played on August 17, the last day of play. I'm beginning to Question if the usual concept of scheduled rounds applied to this event. Things seem pretty much "play who you want when you want." Elliott, for one, was described as a very fast player who once completed four games in a single session of play. |
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Nov-11-17
 | | Tabanus: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... : The 2012, 2013 and 2014 games listed on that page (of Valery A Chekhov) were played by Sergei Chekhov. Slip sent. |
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| Nov-11-17 | | zanzibar: <Phony> thanks. Maybe I'll take a look at it too then. |
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Nov-12-17
 | | MissScarlett: <I'm beginning to Question if the usual concept of scheduled rounds applied to this event. Things seem pretty much "play who you want when you want."> That's not the impression formed from the articles I looked at, though I wasn't taking notes. It seems they played two games on the opening Monday, three games each, Tuesday to Friday, with the last round on Saturday, totalling the fifteen. But I'll leave working out the details as something you can look forward to in retirement. |
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| Nov-12-17 | | Magpye: You don't look old enough to retire! |
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Nov-12-17
| | MissScarlett: In Trump's America, nobody retires. Gotta keep working until they carry you out in a box. Don't go expecting Mexicans to carry out your country's historical chess research. |
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Nov-12-17
| | Phony Benoni: <MissScarlett> The reports do mention "rounds" but just as often they speak of "Morning", "Afternoon", and "Evening" Sessions. It was not unusual for a player to have more than one game in a session. For example, on August 17, the "Minneapolis Star Tribune" reported: <"Elliott's play yesterday was brilliant and rapid. He played four games in the morning session, winning them all easily."> The summary of results shows him winning over Couper, Herwig, Rogers, and Spencer, He then had no games in the Afternoon Session. Other players had multiple games both morning and afternoon. Given the numerous references to "Rounds", there probably was a formal dvhrfulr that was followed to some extent. But the actual order of play appears to have been much more casual, as befitted a vacation-time tournament. But you're quite right that I need to look at this more thoroughly. |
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Nov-12-17
| | MissScarlett: Were there time controls in these early Western events? And how about adjournments? |
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Nov-12-17
| | MissScarlett: <dvhrfulr> What the covfefe? |
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| Nov-12-17 | | zanzibar: dvhrfulr is pretty funny I must admit. |
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Nov-12-17
| | MissScarlett: He wasn't kidding when he said the schedule was messed up. |
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Nov-12-17
| | Phony Benoni: OK, here's something. "Minneapolis Star Tribune", August 14. "<CHESSS GAME SCHEDULE HAS BEEN CHANGED> "The chess games of the tournament can no longer be played in the order originally scheduled, as it has been found necessary to adjust them to th eunique engagements or several of the players. All the games on the program will be brought off, however, as opportunity arises. "The playing has been rather more rapid than was anticipated, although a time limit of three hours was set to prevent too lengthy deliberation."> There follow results from the previous day's play, including unfinished games from round 2, rounds 3, 4, 5, and two games from the scheduled 11th round. That "three hour" time limit is unclear, whether it was the time allotted to a session or represented 1.5 hours for each player. I doubt it meant three hours per player. |
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Nov-14-17
| | Tabanus: <CG: I merged them this weekend.> Thanks. Why not do the same also for 2016 and merge A) Chinese Team Championship (2016) (rounds 1-13) with B) Chinese Chess League (2016) (rounds 14-18) and C) the games from rounds 19-22. I now see that the games from rounds 19-22 are in CG database, with Event = "TCh-CHN", e. g. Yuxiang Fang vs Ganguly, 2016 from round 19 and Ganguly vs Yu Yangyi, 2016 from round 22. Schedule: http://chess-results.com/tnr226837..... Hello? |
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Nov-15-17
| | Tabanus: Champions Showdown (2017) is now history. If CG merges the 7 pages they have on it, I will add this table to the bio: Game Collection: Champions Showdown 2017 |
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| Nov-15-17 | | gauer: Fischer vs J Ken MacDonald, 1964 requested a source for some of the 1964 Fischer simul games: http://canbase.fqechecs.qc.ca/1964.... (maintained by Hugh Brodie), giving 4 relevant games played in the province. |
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| Nov-19-17 | | Retireborn: re: Nick De Firmian, would it be possible to change his name to put a space between the De and the F? I think that would be more standard, and I'm always getting it wrong when I search for one of his games. |
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| Nov-19-17 | | zanzibar: <Reti>, funny, I was just commenting on naming conventions over on chessgames forum. There I suggested following FIDE conventions, when available. Here's a sample:
<De Firmian, Nick> http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?... Note the space is used there, and also here:
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Chess... unlike our local usage:
Nick DeFirmian (CG) As a general rule, I prefer omitting the space myself, but when the player clearly has a preference it usually shows up in their FIDE card (or so I think). |
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Nov-19-17
 | | chessgames.com: We used DeFirmian because this book is on our shelves: https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Chess... Clearly a larger sample set is required. |
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Nov-19-17
| | MissScarlett: <Fischer vs J Ken MacDonald, 1964 requested a source for some of the 1964 Fischer simul games: http://canbase.fqechecs.qc.ca/1964.... (maintained by Hugh Brodie), giving 4 relevant games played in the province.> Not what I had in mind. I've been told the MacDonald game crops up in Chessbase, but I don't know if that means their general DB or the dedicated Fischer DVD they put out (there was also a Hubner on Fischer CD many years ago). Did they specify J Ken MacDonald? If so, is <cg.com> responsible for rendering Black as John MacDonald? |
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| Nov-19-17 | | Retireborn: Thanks to both for those responses.
To add to the confusion, Soltis (in his book of US ch) consistently spells it deFirmian (small d, no space) - but he may just be copying wiki, which isn't necessarily correct. In my experience such (French?) names are spelt like Cecil De Vere, but I do not know if there is any real convention. Perhaps somebody on here knows old Nick and can ask what he prefers :) |
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Nov-19-17
| | Tabanus: Nick de Firmian
https://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl...
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| Nov-19-17 | | Retireborn: <Tab> Many thanks - that does seem to suggest there should be a space. Regarding de/De it looks as if it gets capitalised when referring by surname only, perhaps more for consistency than correctness. Chessbase playerbase recognises both De Firmian and de Firmian (and does the same for Dutch names beginning with van.) |
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Nov-19-17
| | chessgames.com: <Tabanus> have an unusual request of you. I have a small question of a bygone chess era that has to do with a clue that will be presented in the upcoming Holiday Present Hunt. I can't ask the Bistro my question point-blank, because then it will spoil the clue. So... would you mind quick exchange of emails for the sake of fact-checking a Holiday Contest puzzle? You can still play in the contest but you'll be forced to sit out that one clue in question. Thanks in advance, and if you don't feel like it, feel free to say "no" and I'm sure somebody else here will take me up on the offer. I'm giving you first crack because I'm guessing you have the resources to quickly answer the question as well as anybody here. |
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Nov-19-17
| | chessgames.com: Oh, and just to butter you up, you'll find the Chinese Team Championship (2016) has been merged now ;-) |
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