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|Dec-11-11|| ||Penguincw: < whiteshark: <Penguincw> You can include 400 games per collection and you (thoughtlessly?) used the plural. :D >|
I guess so.
|Dec-11-11|| ||agb2002: This is game #83 in Tartakower & Du Mont's "500 Master Games of Chess". An elegant and quite straightforward combination.|
|Dec-11-11|| ||dgbuckmeister: <brankat: <Karlsbad 1911 · Spanish Game: Closed. Pilnik Variation (C90) · 1-0>
The game was played in 1911, GM Herman Pilnik was born in 1914. So, why is the variation named after him? :-)>|
Interest in chess is often passed down from father to son. The opening was probably named after his father.
|Dec-11-11|| ||dgbuckmeister: I got thru to Qxf5 but missed "the GOOT" Qg6!|
|Dec-11-11|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first 3 moves|
|Dec-11-11|| ||Dr. J: Color me somewhat skeptical here - it seems that none of the posters who called this one relatively easy have explained why 24 Qg6 was necessary and why Teichmann didn't play 24 Re3 directly. I have seen a few published analyses, all giving 24 Qg6 a ! or a !!, describing it as "the sort of quiet move that is very difficult to see in advance".|
|Dec-11-11|| ||stst: expect a long sequence, but first sight and actually even after a second's reflection, is still
lots of variation, but probably the main line would be
and W has the initiatives.
|Dec-11-11|| ||M.Hassan: "Insane" White to play 19.?
Sides are equal
I went threough 3 different lines all starting with 19.Bxf7+. All 3 lines end up with advantage for White and in here I write the line that appealed to me the most with the help of Chessmaster
White enters endgame with clear material advantage
|Dec-11-11|| ||M.Hassan: Sorry
19.Bxf7+ Kf8 <not Kxf8>
|Dec-12-11|| ||jackalope: Thank you, <Scormus>!|
<rilkefan>, in the <20. ... Kf6> line, you recommend <23. Qg4> and <karizen> recommends <21. Qg4> - doesn't the earlier Qg4 lessen the pressure on Black? In my line, if <25. ... Nf4 26. Qf5+> and White's attack continues. Or am I missing something?
|Dec-12-11|| ||rilkefan: <<jackalope>: in the <20. ... Kf6> line, you recommend <23. Qg4> and <karizen> recommends <21. Qg4> - doesn't the earlier Qg4 lessen the pressure on Black?>|
Stockfish appears to think that the Qg4 lines just transpose with best play.
<In my line, if <25. ... Nf4 26. Qf5+>>
SF was suggesting 25...Bc8. It prefers not to play Qg4 in the first place, as Bc8 drives the Q to g3, where she becomes a little exposed to Rg8 and blocks g2->g3 holding f4 - in fact it plays Qg3->Qf3->d1 after Bc8 and after a long think decides the position is only worth half a pawn (which is admittedly hard to believe given all those passers). Instead it prefers 25.h4.
|Dec-12-11|| ||jackalope: Thanks for looking it over, <rilkefan>. I see what you're saying - as there is no immediate mate solution, it makes sense for White to consolidate his position.|
|Mar-02-15|| ||Ulhumbrus: According to Edward Lasker Teichmann said that 24 Qg6!! was the move which Schlechter had overlooked: An immediate 24 Re3 would have allowed 24...g6 whereas after 24 Qg6 Black could not defend his second rank in that way.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||RookFile: Horowitz said that Teichmann was blind in one eye but had keen tactical sight of the board.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||al wazir: 25...Ne7 26. Qh7+ Kf8 27. Rf3+ Nf5 28. Rxf5+ Ke7 29. Rf7+, etc. Or 26. Qf7+ Kh8 27. Rh3+ Qxh3 28. gxh3 Bc8. (If, e.g., 28...Rab8, then 29. Ne6.)|
|Apr-07-15|| ||shivasuri4: 25...Ne7 is better met with 26.Qf7+ Kh8 27.Ne6, forcing 27...Qxe6 owing to the threat of 28.Rh3#.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||morfishine: Teichmann was one of the more dangerous players from that era; If you took your eye off him for just a second, watch out|
|Apr-07-15|| ||ajile: Doesn't the modern variation of this opening have Black playing g6 to stop the White knight invasion of f5? Black plays ..Rfe8,..g6,..Bf8 and then ..Bg7 giving Black a more robust K-side.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: 23.exf5... looks stronger.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||dunican: This pun is pretty awesome. Not only was it really Carl's bad day in Karlsbad but "bad" translates to German as "schlecht." So I guess he was lucky it wasn't an even worse day for him.|
|Apr-07-15|| ||pedro99: I think this was in Vukovic's 'Art of Attack in Chess', an excellent and still rewarding book which someone has yet to return to me!|
|Apr-07-15|| ||kevin86: White will mate quickly...|
|Apr-07-15|| ||Amarande: On the topic of 24 Qg6 vs 24 Re3 ... it is indeed largely subjective - objectively, at depth 19 (which my silicon reaches in just a few seconds), Rybka gives an evaluation of 4.58 in favour of White at the end of the game as played, while inputting 24 Re3 g6 25 Qxg6+ Qg7 instead gives an evaluation of 4.21 at the same depth, so both moves are clearly winning.|
However, from the practical standpoint, Qg6 is definitely the better choice even if the objective difference is small - after this, Black is definitely forced to almost immediately give up the Queen for the Rook in order to prevent rapid mate; thus, White is left with Q+2P for R+B and still has his Queen and Knight in virulent attacking formation as well. After Re3, the winning line gets much more complicated to enforce the Q for R trade (exchanging Queens leads to a material-even - White has three Pawns for the Bishop - endgame that appears to lead to a draw); in this regard Rybka gives (after g6 25 Qxg6+ Qg7):
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22 01:04 38,311k 613k +4.34 Qg6-h5 Nc6-e7 Ng5-e6 Qg7-h7 Re3-g3+ Kg8-h8 Qh5-g5 Ne7-g8 Ne6-g7 Re8-e7 Ng7-f5 Ra8-f8 Rg3-h3 Qh7xh3
Thus, in the end, 24 Qg6 was definitely far more in order.
|Apr-07-15|| ||al wazir: <shivasuri4: 25...Ne7 is better met with 26.Qf7+ Kh8 27.Ne6>. True. Thanks.|
|Dec-14-17|| ||plang: The bishop has little to do after 13..Bb7?!; 13..Be6, 13..Re8 or 13..h6 are alternatives. Perhaps 16..Bf8 would have been an improvement. Also 17..Bd8 looks better than what was played. A pretty variation would have been 20..Kf6 21 Nxh7+..Kf7 22 Ng5+..Kf6 23 Nxg7!. 24 Qg6! is the key move - the type of move that players like me never consider.|
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