| Sep-02-04 | | Calli: Very funny. Steinitz is lost, so he tries 29...Re4!. White should play 30.Rg1 (actually 29.Rg1 was even better) But after 30.Rxe4?? there followed 31...b6! and poor Zukertort had no move to avoid mate. Neither pawn in front of the king can give "luft" |
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Jan-14-05
 | | offramp: 15.Nxd6 seems to win a pawn for nothing.
30.Rg1 would have kept a small advantage for white. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: after this game Zukertort when ballistic... |
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| Nov-02-09 | | TheFocus: Mighty nice swindle, as they say. You paying attention, Frank Marshall?? |
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Apr-05-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Zukertort had no move to avoid mate. Neither pawn in front of the king can give "luft"> <Calli> that is incorrect- the suicide interposition 32.Re3 gives White the tempo needed to create luft- although it's still a "won game" for Steinitz after this last resort. No forced mate in this position however. |
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| Nov-28-14 | | Knight13: <15.Nxd6 seems to win a pawn for nothing.> I disagree. 15. Nxd6 Rd8 16. Rad1 h6 17. Bxf6 (17. Bf4 g5) Bxf6 18. Qg3 Rxd6. Or 16. Bf4 Qxd6 17. Qg3 Nfd7 (17. Rd1 Qc7). |
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Nov-28-14
 | | beatgiant: <Knight13>
<15. Nxd6 Rd8 16. Rad1>Have you considered <16. Nxb7>, for example 15. Nxd6 Rd8 16. Nxb7 h6 17. Nxd8 hxg5 18. Qxg5 and White gets a rook and three pawns for a bishop and a knight. What did you see? |
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| Nov-28-14 | | Knight13: <beatgiant> I missed 16. Nxb7. Thanks for pointing it out. White does "seem to win a pawn for nothing" after 15... Rc7 16. f4: 16... Qxd6 17. Bxf6 (fxe5 gives Black back the pawn) Bxf6 18. Qxf6 Nd7. |
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| Aug-08-19 | | linuxguy: This was a nice "should have won" game for Zukertort. One senses that Steinitz must have understood that Zukertort can get frustrated when he doesn't get a quick win. Steinitz, with the sitzkrieg, or sitzfleish win. Zukertort, full of brilliancies, but lacking some patience here. |
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| Jan-30-20 | | sea7kenp: Isn't this the same Zukertort, who's name is on many of the 1 Nf3 openings? |
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Jan-31-20
| | offramp: <sea7kenp: Isn't this the same Zukertort, who's name is on many of the 1 Nf3 openings?> No,that was another Zukertort. Ziggy Zukertort.
He invented the Spiders From Mars Defence. |
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| Feb-12-23 | | generror: <<linuxguy:> One senses that Steinitz must have understood that Zukertort can get frustrated when he doesn't get a quick win.> Not just Zukertort. It seems to me that Steinitz' general strategy of just staying on the defense, allowing his opponents to attack without creating any real weaknesses, worked really well against those 19th-century players who were just used to wild counterattacks, creating nice weaknesses where they could apply their combinatory skill. And then they quickly got impatient and played silly moves. This one here is especially silly, but it's the same pattern in the classic Blackburne vs Steinitz, 1876. |
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| Feb-12-23 | | generror: But Steinitz' strategy was risky. Not caring for any counterplay whatsoever can quickly become deadly if you're not absolutely accurate -- which no human is. Here, the totally fine looking <11...Ne5??> was actually a blunder, after which Zukertort could have actually won the game starting by <12.Qd1! Be6 13.f4 Nc4 14.f5 Nxb2 15.Qb1> (D). 
click for larger viewWhite now first wins a piece for two pawns, but it gets worse; Stockfish's line then goes <15...gxf5 16.Qxb2 h6 17.Bh4 a6 18.Nd4> (D). 
click for larger viewHere now Stockfish actually would sacrifice the queen with <18... Nxe4>. After the smoke clears, this results in Black having two minor pieces and two pawns for his queen, and while it looks bad for him, it's still better than what happens to him in other responses, where he's just not able to stop White from piling more and more pressure on his kingside and evaluating the result at +6. |
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| Feb-12-23 | | generror: ... and *Stockfish* evaluating the result at +6. |
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