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| Dec-23-17 | | dumbgai: I spent the entire time trying to get some Bd5 move in that wins the queen (as long as black’s Be6 can be prevented). Totally missed it. |
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| Dec-23-17 | | thegoodanarchist: Deck the Halls with Boughs of Holly
Falalalala Lalalala
<Tisdall> the Season to Be Jolly
Falalalala Lalalala
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| Dec-23-17 | | botvinnik64: Adorjan became (one of) my chess heroes in the 1980s. He used to play in the New York Open, a monstrously strong Open held around Easter at the Penta (now Pennsylvania?) Hotel across the street from Penn Station/MSG. Andras was always in or right on the lead. He was publishing Black is OK, one of the best chess books. Kasparov worked with him in his teens, I think. |
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| Dec-23-17 | | transpose: The dark square bishop plays a vital defensive role and the other bishop must protect e6 after a possible Bd5 by white. With this evaluation of the position, I considered four candidate moves: three involved moving the knight and also b4. I concluded that b4 looked most promising, but I missed Rb1 after black takes the b4 pawn with his bishop because I did not see Bf8 defending after Rd8+. But as pointed out by others, this is not a defense as white wins an exchange. |
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| Dec-23-17 | | schachfuchs: Could that 15.dxc6 even be a home cooked variation? |
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Dec-23-17
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <Cheapo by the Dozen> <Oh wait. Here's a line I missed.> <18 b4 cb
19 Nxb3 Bb4
20 Rd8+ Bf8
isn't a defense, because of
21 cb Bxb7
22 Rxa8 Bxa8
23 Bxa8>
Try 21 Bd5, below. It wins the queen.
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| Dec-23-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: I think 23. Nd8 is a bit of a missed opportunity, and no one will notice the difference. So it's time for cg to adjust this game a little. 
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| Dec-23-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: PS funny enough the 18. b4 Bxb4/23. Nd8 line was alreadly mentioned by <stukkenjager> <13-02-08> in this thread. My apologies. |
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| Dec-23-17 | | dhotts: Great puzzle! |
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| Dec-23-17 | | jayfreeman: Two questions to black here:
1. What is the point of 17... a6?
2. And why 18... Bxb4 and not just Bb6?
these two moves are mistakes. it is rather difficult to solve the puzzle if you have to guess the mistakes as well ;)) |
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| Dec-23-17 | | agb2002: In my line B.2, 20.Nb5 seems to lose all the advantage (I had the impression that it was stronger than the natural 20.a3) after 20... bxc6 according to Stockfish. In my line B.2.a.ii.2, 23.Rc8 is a blunder which loses to Qd5. Better luck tomorrow. |
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| Dec-23-17 | | morfishine: The key is to post your analysis without engine assistance and generate discussion that way. Thats the point
***** |
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| Dec-23-17 | | tivrfoa: what is the sequence after 23. ... Qe8???
24. Bxa8 Qxa8
then Quen & bishop against 4 pieces |
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| Jun-21-23 | | Granny O Doul: <FSR: <Jack Kerouac: Interesting tid-bit about Edward Lasker. He was a strong, probably Grand-Master strength player who once beat Alekhine once or twice in an informal soiree one evening, and afterwards, being the gentleman that he was, apologized to Alexander saying,basically,"We both know you're the better chess player." Alekhine responded," You and I know that, but these silly people don't know that!" Or words to that effect....>
That was Arthur Dake, not Edward Lasker. The story is given on page 28 of the December 1984 issue of Chess Life magazine.> Granted it's not always easy to be humble, but if I beat the world champion and then said "we both know you're the better chess player", I'd expect to be punched in the face. |
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Jun-22-23
 | | FSR: <Granny O Doul: . . . if I beat the world champion and then said "we both know you're the better chess player", I'd expect to be punched in the face.> Alekhine wasn't always world champion, you know. Presumably this incident occurred sometime prior to 1927. If Alekhine had already been the world champion, the "silly people" would likely have known that and taken it as a given that he was stronger than Dake. |
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Jun-22-23
 | | beatgiant: <FSR> The incident is discussed here Alexander Alekhine (kibitz #40) and the year claimed is 1934. |
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Jun-22-23
| | FSR: <beatgiant> Thanks. I guess I stand corrected. |
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Jun-22-23
 | | keypusher: <beatgiant> <FSR> Neat anecdote, never heard it before. Dake had beaten Alekhine "officially" a couple of years before, of course. Dake vs Alekhine, 1932 |
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Jun-22-23
 | | MissScarlett: Is there any evidence that Alekhine was in America during 1934? The whole account smells bogus. #dakenews |
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Jun-22-23
| | keypusher: <MissScarlett: Is there any evidence that Alekhine was in America during 1934? The whole account smells bogus. #dakenews> Lessing has an account of playing pawn and move (and getting a draw) against Alekhine in NYC around this time in <The World of Chess>. Game began 1.e4 d5?! 2.Qh5+ g6 3.Qxd5 Qxd5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.c4 c6!? IIRC. |
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Jun-22-23
| | beatgiant: <MissScarlett> Alekhine gave a record-breaking blindfold simul in the Chicago World's Fair. The Fair ran in both 1933 and 1934, and I've seen sources for both years as the year of his simul. |
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Jun-22-23
| | MissScarlett: Alekhine's blindfold simul was in July 1933. In early 1934, Alekhine was in Britain: Hastings (1933/34)
He played exhibitions in Holland and Belgium in February, and then the world championship match with Bogo began in April. The window for him to be in Chicago in January 1934 is small, but the notion that he remained in America and met Dake again in New York must simply be rejected. Whether any plausible resuscitation of Dake's account is possible remains to be seen. |
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Jun-22-23
| | MissScarlett: I observe that my scepticism had been anticipated: Dake vs Alekhine, 1932 (kibitz #11) |
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Jun-22-23
| | beatgiant: <MissScarlett> The most obvious resuscitation would be to claim that it happened in 1933 instead of 1934. But if I may make a humble suggestion, further discussion of this seems to belong more on the Alexander Alekhine page. |
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Jun-22-23
 | | OhioChessFan: I'm still working on it but I don't see much to confirm Alekhine in the USA in 1934. One search result claims a simul in Chicago on July 16th while AA was in Zurich. |
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sac: 15.dxc6