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|Apr-24-05|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: Here's another game I like to bring up periodically: Rotlewi vs Rubinstein, 1907.
Just in case there are any newbies to chess out there who haven't seen this yet.|
|Apr-24-05|| ||Open Defence: ok this is dumb i misread the puzzle as 23..? and spent an entire day trying to see what Black had up his sleeve, I think I will go lie down now :-(|
|Apr-24-05|| ||Saph: Thanks to everyone who posted their own ideas on this game. Clearly, it caused some deep thinking and now I don't feel quite so silly.|
And you've gotta admit - it's so cool to have <GM Keene> here to comment on his own game. Hurrah!
|Apr-24-05|| ||Eric Xanthus: For what it's worth, I picked Ng5 and saw many of the ideas here. What strikes me is how imposing the move looks. To my weak eyes it looks like a bomb goes off in the middle of the board, and white's activity is quite intimidating. I think the number of interesting sidelines justify this as a Sunday puzzle--lots of tactics along the way that black must work hard to avoid. Good fun--and a great puzzle to make patzers like me feel good about practice.|
|Apr-24-05|| ||Ezzy: <patzer2 - and that's certainly not the position one would wish to be in against former world champion GM Bronstein.> Hi patzer2. Brontein just missed the World title by a whisker drawing 12-12 with Botvinik. Bronstein was leading and needed 1 point from the last 2 games to take the title, but it was not meant to be, and Botvinik with a 12-12 retained the title. I had the pleasure of chatting to this great player, when he played in a Manchester congress about 7 years ago. He was in his 70s. I couldn't believe it when i saw his name on the players list, He must of been on a short stay in England, and entered our small congress. He was extremely pleasant and accessible. Being from Manchester, I have also met Nigel Short. What is unusual about this is that the only two Grandmasters I have ever met, they have both lost a World Championship match!! So any budding future world champion, stay clear of me!! :-)|
|Apr-24-05|| ||ray keene: another classic case was the very brilliant game <rubinstein v spielmann san sebastian 1912>-this wonderful attack ended in checkmate but white missed a fab defence which wd simply have left black with only a better endgame-this certainly doesnt invalidate the black---bxe4 sac tho-in my opinion the existence of a brilliant counter defence enhances the value of the combination.|
|Apr-24-05|| ||midknightblue: Great chess puzzle chessgames. I considered 21. Ng5 but wasnt able to appreciate it's value in my mind, only after i saw the position. Even then I couldnt figure out why 21..Bxg2 wouldn't equalize. Thanks to the great explanations above, I understand the move and all the side lines. Great puzzle.|
|Apr-24-05|| ||patzer2: <Ezzy> Thanks for the correction and the personal note on David Bronstein. <GM Ray Keene> Appreciate you taking the time to comment and point out the importance of subtle positional combinations to gain small advantages. I suspect that the emphasis on this aspect of Chess, in addition to natural talent, is a key factor separating GMs and strong Masters from the average club player. You've certainly done a lot to raise the level of interest and instruction for what Lasker called "our little game." Thanks again!|
|Apr-24-05|| ||Ezzy: <GM Keene> I cannot find the game Rubinstein v spielmann san sebastian 1912 in Chessgames.com database, or my own database. Do you have a link?|
|Apr-24-05|| ||sibilare: I put the postion into Sigma Chess (Hiarcs 9.60) and tried 24. Bh1|
Came up with 25. f3 Qc6 26. Rxc7 Rxc7 27. Ne4 f5 28. Nf6+ Kf7 29. Ng4 bd6 30. Ne5+ Kg8 31. Kxh1 c3 32. Ba3 c2 33. Nxc6 Bxf4 34. Ne7+ Rxe7 35. Rxe7 Bd6 36. Re2 Bxa3 37 Rxc2...
Black score is -3.74 With Rook vs Bishop end game in favour for white.
|Apr-24-05|| ||Ezzy: I am surprised nobody has given 23 Bh3 a mention. It was my first thought in my analysis because it seems to create quite a few threats. I think its just as good as 23 Ng5. But then again, what do I know!! A few sample lines - 23.Bh3 Bxf3 <(23...f5 24.bxc4 Rxc4 <(24...Bxf3 25.Bxf5 Re8 26.Qxc7 Bxd1 27.Rxd1 Nc5 28.Bd7 Nxd7 29.Qxd7±)> 25.Qg5 Rc2 26.Bxf5 Rxb2 27.Rxd5 Qxd5 28.Be6+ Qxe6 29.Rxe6 )> 24.Rxd7 Rxd7 25.Bxd7 c3 26.Qxf6 Bd5 27.Bxc3 I think there are more ways for black to go wrong!|
|Apr-24-05|| ||aw1988: Good idea Ezzy, but I think Bh3 Bb4! runs into problems.|
|Apr-24-05|| ||Ezzy: <aw1988><aw1988: Duh, hence the retirement. |
P.S. anyone who didn't see 17. Bf4 in less than 2 seconds is rated USCF 1200 and should quit chess.> This is what you said in your post on the Kasparov v Gheorghiu game. lol. I am not surprised you think 23..Bb4 is good, Because 24 Rxd5 is completely winning for white, but you have to be rated USCF 3200 to see it!!!! Trust me not to read your post correctly, what you really meant was that 23..Bb4 runs into problems for black!! Sorry - your analysis is correct. I believe you are now worthy of the USCF 3200 rating!! :-)
|Apr-24-05|| ||kevin86: Diagonal play decided this for white-the target to the northwest was the queen,while mate was being menaced to the northeast;against such diabolerie,there was no escape.|
|Apr-25-05|| ||aw1988: Where's the win after Bh3 Bb4 Rxd5 Qxd5?|
|Apr-25-05|| ||ray keene: <ezzy> rubinstein v spielmann is here sure enough-see recent kibitzing for example|
|Apr-25-05|| ||Hesam7: GM Keene thank you for your response, in the resulting endgame I found this line:|
31...Rc2 32.Rd1 Rxa2 33.Rd7 Be7 [only move] 34.Rxe7 Kf6 35.Rxh7 Kxg5 36.Rf7 [restricting the Black king]
The resulting rook endgame is interesting I do not know if it is a standard win but if White manges to move his kingside majority he wins and this seems not that difficult.
|Apr-25-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I "solved " this - although I saw Rc5 I looked mainly at 23....Bg2 24. Rd7 now the zwishenzug 24... Bh6 had me a bit worried 25. Ne4 (Nh3 looks ok also)Rd7 26. Nf6 check and I am sure its a win for White. |
Of course there is also 24...Rd7 25. Qf6 Bg7 26. Qe6 when if Kf8 27. Nh7 is mate if Kh8 (say) then 28 Qd7 when Bxb2loses to 29 Qh7 mate..and ther eare other lines - I set it upon a pocket set and worked out the lines in my head (I say this not ot boast but to encourage any younger/ambitious palyers to learn by doing this - I am not going to improve much -I am 57 and have never won a tournamnet maybe one...once I think;basically this just an interst- a fascinating game - yes - but not my life!!)- this time getting the right move...
23. Rxd5 was someting I checked but it doesnt work...
I saw the defence Rc5 but I thought White could play 24. b4 Rb5 25 a4 and didnt look at it very much...
my concept at all costs for white to get on the a1 to h8 diagonal....so I thnk thaht 24 b4 wins also
|Apr-25-05|| ||Richard Taylor: It looks bad I know - but 20..Nf6 might have beeen better for Keene (as he waas clearly wanting to keep attacking chances going) OR 13...Ne4 might have been wiseer v Bronstein to restrain his bursting out for a while..no?|
|Apr-25-05|| ||Richard Taylor: In the analysis I also saw the c3 resoursce but I actually missed - in this line < Hesam7: According to GM Keene the line: |
23.Ng5 Bxg2 24.Rxd7 Rxd7 25.Qxf6 c3 26.Qe6+ Kh8 27.Qxd7 Qb7 28.Bxc3+ Rxc3 29.Qd4+ Qg7 30.Qxg7 Kxg7 31.Kxg2 >
I missed 27...Qb7
Oh well - fascintating comnbinations
|Apr-25-05|| ||Ezzy: <aw1988 - Where's the win after Bh3 Bb4 Rxd5 Qxd5?> Doesn't 25 Be6+ give white a big material advantage. Put your Shredder on the case, I am sure it will confirm this!|
|Apr-25-05|| ||aw1988: Okay, you're right, so how about Bh3 Bxf3 then?|
|Apr-25-05|| ||Ezzy: <aw1988> See above. Blimey, your worse than the Spanish inquisition!! :-)|
|Apr-25-05|| ||aw1988: NO ONE expects the Spanish inquisition! THREE errors...|
|Jul-18-11|| ||Everett: Funny, Bronstein shows the power of this same diagonal, even in a "locked" position, agains the same opponent.|
Bronstein vs Keene, 1975
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