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|Dec-27-10|| ||Zkid: If it really was a touch and move error, then 32. ♗f4 ♔xe7 33. ♗xd2 ♖xd2, although worse for white, is a lot more understandable than blundering mate in two, even if Chigorin lost the resulting endgame. I find it hard to believe Chigorin would play ♗b4 if he had to move the bishop. |
I'd say it's just an enormous oversight, which is rare in top-level chess but does happen, even today e.g the famous Deep Fritz-Kramnik blunder.
|Jan-17-11|| ||Llawdogg: I was just innocently looking for some high level King's Gambit games from the golden age of chess when I stumbled onto this one. It looked promising at first. Then it looked very curious. Thanks to all the kibitzers for confirming that this was indeed a case of self pwnage. It kind of gives hope to us novices.|
|Jan-17-11|| ||Llawdogg: I read that Chigorin drank brandy during the match, while Steinitz drank champagne. Maybe champagne does less harm than brandy. Or maybe Chigorin drank more than Steinitz did. We may never know.|
|Apr-04-11|| ||Tigranny: Could 32.Bb4?? be the greatest blunder of all time in the history of chess? I have it #1 in my game collection in the top 10 greatest blunders. I thought it would be #1 because it cost Chigorin the entire match.|
|Apr-04-11|| ||tpstar: <32. Bb4??> Hard to top for significance at this level of play.|
Short vs Krasenkow, 2004 stands out because we were watching it here as a live event, but suddenly the Rook was gone and then 0-1 in a flash.
Game Collection: Anonymous Blunderers Club
Game Collection: Outrageous Blunders
|Jun-06-11|| ||Phony Benoni: For those of you who don't know the story: this game was from the 2nd Steinitz - Chigorin world championship match. With 10 wins required to win the match, Steinitz led by 9-8.|
However, by this point:
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Chigorin was a piece up and well on his way to tying the match and sending it into overtime when he found <32.Bb4??>. Call me overly emotional, but I think it's worth two question marks.
|Jun-06-11|| ||Funicular: 32 Rxb7 seals the deal. After 32... Bf7, I actually found theres forced checkmate after the exchange sac Rxf7! Kxf7 Rxf5+ and eventually its checkmte with the king on g8 or d7.|
And there are not many replies to the trheat 33. Nf4, threatening to exchange a piece and leading to a won endgame by white thanks to d pawn and black cannot mate white king
|Jun-06-11|| ||KingV93: At first glance I thought it was a stupid way to play the Kings Gambit, though I am loathe to criticize the analysis on this site let alone the play of the demi-gods who sit at the feet of Caissa ...|
I liked 30.♗e5+ much better and at first Fritz wholeheartedly agrees...but after deeper thinking gives an advantage of less than a pawn.
32.♗b4 should get ??? Yikes, talk about losing the thread!
|Jun-06-11|| ||FSR: Yup, definitely one of the top blunders in chess history. 33...Ne7? (33...Nc5!) in Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987 was nowhere near as egregious a blunder, and Karpov still had drawing chances, but it was also pretty significant.|
|Jun-06-11|| ||Llawdogg: Chigorin was drunk.|
|Jun-06-11|| ||Ferro: Wilhelm Steinitz! is best than
|Jun-06-11|| ||Gogia: So, 32.Rxb7 is winning for white??|
|Jun-06-11|| ||kevin86: As to my post a few days ago:Chigorin's last move deserves two question marks. The penalty is immediate mate in two.|
|Jun-06-11|| ||rossvassilev: 32.Bb4?? That's just plain dumb. All Chigorin had to play was 32.Nf4 and he would've had the game pretty much won.|
|Jun-06-11|| ||Don Quijote: Why did they chose this for the Game of The day?
shouldn't be in the "Blunder of the day"? (or blunder of the year?)
|Jun-06-11|| ||newzild: <rossvassilev: 32.Bb4?? That's just plain dumb. All Chigorin had to play was 32.Nf4 and he would've had the game pretty much won.>|
32. Nf4 loses a piece to 32...Rxe7
|Jun-06-11|| ||WhiteRook48: 32 Nf4 is still better than what was played|
|Jun-07-11|| ||newzild: <WhiteRook48: 32 Nf4 is still better than what was played>|
Yes, any move except for 32. Re1 would have been better than the move played. However, the suggested 32. Nf4 is not much better, and White would not have "had the game pretty much won".
|Nov-24-13|| ||pericles of athens: That is a real howler of a blunder, poor Chigorin! We're all human.|
|Apr-15-14|| ||pattydee: I can't find a clear and convincing winning 32nd move for White.
32.Rb7: Rd6: and White wins the piece back, but maybe Whites a2+b2 pawns will play a role. |
Steinitz was a master at using his King as an attacking piece and Chigorin's "attacking pieces" are all tied up.
|Apr-15-14|| ||Karpova: <pattydee: I can't find a clear and convincing winning 32nd move for White. 32.Rb7: Rd6: and White wins the piece back, but maybe Whites a2+b2 pawns will play a role.>|
32.Rxb7 Rxd5 33.Nf4
|Apr-15-14|| ||perfidious: <pattydee: I can't find a clear and convincing winning 32nd move for White. 32.Rb7: Rd6: and White wins the piece back, but maybe Whites a2+b2 pawns will play a role.>|
This line loses to 33.Nf4.
The only try after 32.Rxb7 appears to be 32....Bh5, but 33.Rb3 defends.
|Oct-21-14|| ||Ke2: Ahaha I love this pun|
|Jun-01-16|| ||posoo: What on EARTH whould STYNUTS send his horse CRASHING down da field with NO PLAN for escampe?! Dis is TERABLE.|
Too bad da RUSSIANS have a nombosto for a PATRIORCH
|Nov-21-16|| ||posoo: Also WHY DOS da game of da day have to be GOOD?|
CAN IT NOT BE an HOSTORICAL event RIFE WITH SMASHING?
I think it can.
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