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Robert James Fischer vs Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian
Fischer - Petrosian Candidates Final (1971), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 9, Oct-26
French Defense: Normal Variation (C10)  ·  1-0
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Apr-18-13
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  beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
<I don't like black's formation> The reason you gave (extra tempo in open position) holds even after 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5. Do you not have confidence in the French Defence itself, then?
Apr-18-13  Petrosianic: No, I'm fine with the French, but this is really more like a Nimzovich Defense by transposition, which I'm not so wild about. In a French, I'd rather not block the c pawn that way with Nc6.
Apr-18-13
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  beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
We can agree that White has the advantage of the move in an open position in which each player has blocked his own c-pawn with a knight, which you don't personally prefer.

See Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927 for an example where two world champions block their own c-pawns with knights in this kind of position.

Apr-18-13  Petrosianic: I don't like the setups in that game either, although they're not quite as bad in that the Knights are protected and the pawns don't get doubled. Still, you can see in this game some of the trouble that White gets into with this kind of development.

Part of it is a matter of taste, but I just don't like Black's setup here a bit. For a must win game if you really want to make a serious effort, the best bet would have been another Sicilian line.

That's ASSUMING you want to make a big effort. If you've got something good, why waste it on a game that won't matter even if you win?

Apr-21-13
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  beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
<you can see in this game some of the trouble that White gets into> So much so that even the extra tempo didn't help....

<For a must win game...another Sicilian> Black probably chose the French hoping for a game like Fischer vs Petrosian, 1962 or Fischer vs Ivkov, 1959. But White's 5. exd5 here is tantamount to a draw offer.

In a Sicilian, too, White can always choose a relatively drawish line such as the Alapin. The only example I found of Petrosian defending against that is Sveshnikov vs Petrosian, 1977, a short draw with a weaker player.

Jul-06-13  Xeroxx: fischer makes it look easy
Jan-09-14  Dave1: 26..Rfe8?! Petrosian hopped for counter-play but Fischer played like a computer
Jan-09-14  Everett: <paulalbert> Thanks for your comments. Just wanted to add that GMs assess so quickly that it merely seems to us that they merely go straight to calculation. In fact, they are calculating the most promising lines almost immediately. And that selection is not by chance.
Jan-10-14  SeanAzarin: According to one of Petrosian's aides, Petrosian's spirit had been broken by the previous game, where he lost to fall behind 5.5-2.5. This was a mopup for Fischer.
Sep-20-14  coldsweat: I agree that the answer to Petrosianic's word puzzle describing Reuben Fine's silly pedantry is "pissant".

Reminds me of a joke my dad enjoyed telling -- the dear guy was one of those fellows who laughed especially loudly at his own jokes.

The best definition of an egomaniac he'd ever heard was an ant floating down a river on his back with an erection shouting "raise the draw-bridge"!!

Sep-20-14  coldsweat: It seems to me the fact that the score of the first half of the match was two and a half each, while the second half was 4-0, is at least suggestive that Fischer's illness had an impact.
Nov-25-14  Ke2: according to "Endgame", 10,000 people watched this game live.
Nov-25-14
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  Joshka: <Ke2> Wouldn't surprise me at all. They were crazy for Fischer in South America. I spent time in Colombia in 1984, and there was a chess club in Medellin named "The Fischer Club" And that wasn't even Argentina where his popularity was even more! At that club in Colombia, all they wanted to talk about was Bobby!! At that time the only news I had on him was the "Pasadena Jailhouse" story. This was during the time of the first KvsK match in October....they were in between playing 17 draws in a row!! They all were kibitzing how this would never happen if Bobby were playing!!LOL
Mar-11-15  PJs Studio: I won a game in the NYS Championship that looked exactly like this ending position (except with colors reversed) in 1994. My opponent fought on bitterly until I had a queen and was about to mate him.

"Reasons we don't want to play the long weekend Swiss."

Mar-12-15  RookFile: Played over this tonight. Petrosian's mating bag near Fischer's king was clever. I guess he was just a tempo or two short.
Jul-20-15
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  thegoodanarchist: <RookFile: Yes, that's right, Karpov was content to play for the endgame win. Nothing wrong with that, by the way.>

And Anatoly did so quite nicely many times. His win with the White pieces against Walter Browne in San Antonio, 1972, comes to mind.

Karpov was more than too pleased to trade queens and dispatch GM Browne in the ending.

Karpov vs Browne, 1972

Jul-20-15
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  thegoodanarchist: <FSR: <parisattack: Fine was a bit of a pedant...>

That's for sure. I remember in one of his books (I think <Chess the Easy Way>, but it could be <Ideas Behind the Chess Openings>) he dismissed the Double Fianchetto Defense, basically claiming that White just had to develop his pieces and would automatically win with an attack. >

I remember that! Dang that Fine - I have lost countless blitz games against the double Fianchetto just because he made me overconfident attacking it.

I don't recall ever owning "Chess the Easy Way", so it must have been "Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" where he wrote that nonsense.

Jul-20-15
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  FSR: <thegoodanarchist: ... I don't recall ever owning "Chess the Easy Way", so it must have been "Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" where [Fine] wrote that nonsense.>

Correct. As I wrote in Wikipedia:

<Grandmaster Reuben Fine, one of the world's strongest players in the 1930s and 1940s, instructing his readers how to deal with such "Irregular Openings", wrote that "once a plus in development or center is set up, a well-conducted attack will decide." [Reuben Fine, Ideas Behind the Chess Openings, David McKay, 1943, p. 228.]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippo...

Jul-28-15  edbermac: Nice clip showing the finale of this match.

Bobby! Bobby! Bobby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgz...

Jul-28-15  john barleycorn: Thanks <edbermac>.
Jan-11-16  Joker2048: Fischer is a pure genius...
Nicely done
Jan-11-16  Petrosianic: Are you sure? Your praises of him always seem vague, to say the least. If you don't appreciate what he's doing, it makes no difference how good it is, from your POV.
Apr-07-17  BobbyBishop: I just watched a youtube vid of Bobby on the Dick Cavett show. He asked Bobby to show his the final position of the last game and I came to see if he got it right. Silly me!
Apr-09-17  Mr. Blonde: Same, BobbyBishop, haha.
Aug-11-18  gabriel25: This anecdote come to me through only two steps so its likely to be true, Eldis Cobo to Yuyo whose name i have forgotten, shame on me, because I knew him, played with and avoided playing with from 1980 till a few years ago, to me.

Elgis selected cicerone to Bobby in a Capablanca in Memorian are having a drink in a nice bar, when Eldis suddenly remembers and says "you know Bobby I think last year i had a draw with you on move 22 " Bobby starts explaining but Eldis wants to answer in words. So Bobby whips out from his inside jacket pocket a chess set and quickly sets it and shows it to Eldis who recognizing the position, thinks "one year and he remembers exactly" so he says "What do you think Bobby if we have another drink".

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