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Robert James Fischer vs Boris Spassky
"Figure Eight" (game of the day Apr-03-2010)
Fischer - Spassky World Championship Match (1972), Reykjavik ISL, rd 8, Jul-27
English Opening: Symmetrical. Mecking Variation (A39)  ·  1-0
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Nov-23-14  Ninja Trash: Stockfish rating jumped from +0.8 to +1.5 after black's move 19. ... Nd7. Is it that much bad move? If yes, why?
Nov-24-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Petrosianic: Yes, it's a bad move, because it loses a pawn for no compensation. 19...Kf8 would have been much better.
Jul-14-15  RookFile: That's the point. With a pawn for the exchange, maybe Spassky could yet get a draw, especially if he could get white's a pawn off the board somehow. Once Fischer won that pawn, it was over.
Mar-18-17  PeterPringle: Why not 22. Ng6, with check?
Mar-19-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Petrosianic: <Why not 22. Ng6, with check?>

Because White doesn't get his piece back that way. 22. Nxg6+ hxg6 23. Rxd2, and Black has two pieces for the Rook instead of one, and probably stands better.

May-02-17  Helios727: What would happen if Black kept playing at the end?
May-02-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <coldsweat>

<But he took the bait, and by 9.Qd4 Bobby has control of the center, is more developed with his pieces, and is preparing to strike with his disorienting and powerful 11.Qf4 surprise, upon which Boris pondered for 59 minutes.

Boris is in a hole at this point, and Bobby tenaciously bears down with perfect chess the rest of the way, giving his opponent no chance to climb out.>

Black is completely fine at this point, which is why Fischer's idea hasn't been seen much since 1972.

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May-02-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <blunderclap> It is probably my fault but everything you write seems to be gibberish.
May-02-17  beatgiant: <Helios727>
<What would happen if Black kept playing at the end?> White is up a rook for a knight and is about to win the h-pawn too, with no Black compensation of any kind. At the world championship level, it's hopeless.

As for a plan to make progress, White can use the rooks to drive Black's king away from the kingside, after which it's hard for Black to defend the f-pawn, hold back the h-pawn, and also avoid a rook trade.

For example: 37...Rb7 38. Bxh5 Nd7 39. Re2+ Ne5 40. Rc8 Rb6 41. Re8+ Kd7 42. Rd2+ Kc7 43. Rh8, and phase one of the above plan is complete.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <blunderclap: <offramp - excellent question> The question you should be asking yourself is this:

"In what sense could I, with all I know and have felt sofar in my life, interpret the gibberish this weird fool is spewing at me as something that actually contains a proper lesson?">

The question I actually asked myself is this:
"What is the smallest number of key depressions I can make to put Blunderclap on ignore."

May-03-17  Sally Simpson: He cannot see you anymore blunderclap.

it's usually just two clicks of the mouse.

It won't let you put yourself on ignore (I've tried) but you can put yourself as a favourite.

There should be an 'Ignore All' button, then one could post in peace and never harbour a fear of being contradicted.

May-03-17  Sally Simpson: ...forgot to add:

You can tell if someone has you on their Ignore List by making them a Favourite.

If you do and you are on their Ignore List the system tells you:

"User XXXX has you on their Ignore List."

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Geoff....It won't let you put yourself on ignore (I've tried) but you can put yourself as a favourite....>

Dang it, another of my ideas destroyed--always wanted to consign myself to iggydumb!

Another method of sussing out whether you have been consigned to perdition by another is to try posting at their forum; if you cannot, the dreaded 'you are being ignored by "whosit"' status is your lot.

Yet another is--for those who have control over their games page--to try posting there. An example of such a poster is the notorious <AJ>.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  diceman: <Sally Simpson:

There should be an 'Ignore All' button, then one could post in peace and never harbour a fear of being contradicted.>

Would you be able to check your spelling?

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Petrosianic: And how do you make someone a Favorite?
May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> That's easy. Just go to that user's forum and at the bottom of the page you'll see an option to make that user a favorite.

You will be rewarded by having that user's post, and the posts of all your favorites, highlighted in yellow.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: < AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> That's easy. Just go to that user's forum and at the bottom of the page you'll see an option to make that user a favorite. You will be rewarded by having that user's post, and the posts of all your favorites, highlighted in yellow.>

Or you can just load them with new titles, honors, dignities, and lands, but that will inflame resentment among your other courtiers.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Petrosianic: I don't see it, but maybe it's only available to paying members.
May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  ChessHigherCat: <Sally Simpson: You can tell if someone has you on their Ignore List by making them a Favourite.

If you do and you are on their Ignore List the system tells you:

"User XXXX has you on their Ignore List.">

That must be frustrating for a Woody Allen-type who wouldn't join any club that would have him for a member! Are you sure it works? I just tried selecting 10 or 15 kibbitzers as favorites one after the other and I never got that message. Even the people who plop right down after my messages and repeat almost exactly the same thing, as though ostentatiously trying to show that they have me on ignore (Pray tell, what was that, did I hear a sparrow fart?) don't really. What's a decent feller got to do to get ignored in this day and age?

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <ChessHigherCat>

OK, I'll put you on ignore, you can see if making me a favorite works. I'll take you off ignore tomorrow.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <ChessHigherCat>

You're ignored.

May-03-17  Sally Simpson: ...er... That bit about finding out if someone has you on their ignore list.

One of my wee jokes.

What can I say. It was a quiet day at the office and I was bored.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <Sally Simpson>

You're ignored.

May-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  ChessHigherCat: Thanks <Keypusher>! and thanks? <Sally Simpson>, it really is a myth. Lucky I don't lithp because I'd have a hard time exthplaining that Thally Thimpthon ithn't really a mith, he's a mithter.
May-19-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <offramp: <blunderclap: <offramp - excellent question> The question you should be asking yourself is this: "In what sense could I, with all I know and have felt sofar in my life, interpret the gibberish this weird fool is spewing at me as something that actually contains a proper lesson?">

The question I actually asked myself is this:
"What is the smallest number of key depressions I can make to put Blunderclap on ignore.">

I never did get around to putting poor Blunderclap on ignore, and now it doesn't matter because she and her posts have vanished into thin air, as I foretold you.
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yes, all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.

Adieu, Blunderclap!

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