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Garry Kasparov vs Slavoljub Marjanovic
"The Marjanov Error" (game of the day Mar-30-2018)
Chess Olympiad (1980), Valletta MLT, rd 4, Nov-23
Queen's Indian Defense: Classical Variation. Polugayevsky Gambit (E17)  ·  1-0
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Jun-14-09
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  Richard Taylor: <Shams> I know she used dashes (em-dashes as you call them - she wrote everything by hand) - but that is irrelevant. I have seen facsimiles of her manuscripts.

She like such as Stein and later Mallarme - and even John Clare -was a major innovator in literature. John Clare was in the sense that he utilised regional or what the aristocracy called "radical slang" such as the word 'guls'hed' ... indeed the Irish critic and poet Tom Paulin, writing in his book of essays "Minotaur", says that Clare's project was "Joycean - flying through the barriers class, race, religion, monolinguism - and it is a strange coincidence that Clare and Jame Joyce's daughter Lucia should both have ended their days in that asylum in Northampton...every non-standard word he used provoked a class anxiety and fear...". Clare was a gentle man but he compared the attack on his unconventional grammar, spellings, and language use etc as being like "Tyranny in government."

And Paulin certainly used those dashes there.

My use of them is just habitual by the way.

Jun-14-09
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  Richard Taylor: <Thrajin: <Richard Taylor>, reading your post (above) reminds me of James Joyce's Ulysses. LOL!>

He used em-dashes to indicate speech but he was certainly an innovator in language (especially in Finnegan's Wake - which is like a huge poem) - but closer might be Mallarme or some of the L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poets such as Susan Howe who derives from various practices but also from Olson (of the Black Mountain School where Buckminster Fuller and John Cage studied) - Olson of the 'Maximus' poems - he experimented with typography, fonts and layout, as did many others such as Apollinaire, and the Dadaists, the Futurists, the surrealists and many others. Olson was influenced also by Pound - and Joyce - virtually all writers of any merit were or have been influenced by Joyce.

The 'UbuWeb' site as some crazy stuff on itself ...

Jun-14-09
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  Richard Taylor: "...get my

drift>> [[ ("drifts of shifts")

What a riot!

>>>>???....."

This refers to a famous incident that happened during the performance of a play in Dublin, Ireland, by another Irish writer. I was being a little clever and cryptic.

Someone on here might be able to "decode" it.

Jun-23-09  gmalino: a typical garry-game, throwing all his pieces on the opponent's king. isn't it?
especially the (not played) mating pattern is very, very beautiful. what was his age back then? 16 or something, hmm.

puh, f***ing genius this guy is......

sorry for the dot's, but they're emphasizing my deep astonishment.

Jun-23-09  gmalino: as i see through this game the second time, i wonder why marjanovic tries to win pieces in the corner of the board and ignores all this pieces directly in front of his king.

guess he considered a castled position as a strong defence and this has meant error, over and out. he should have known better and try to defend his king with the black pieces against smashing kasparov. how long this forepost-knight eats grass supported by the praying bishop and no black piece tries to get rid of them..... ERROR!

Jan-05-12  indoknight: another Kasparov polugayevsky gambit ,Kasparov vs Nikitin, 1981
Jan-28-17  Albion 1959: Once again "Kaspowerov" The energy and the way he finds these attacks, makes it look so easy - if only it was, then I might become a World Champion, but that will never happen !
Oct-29-17
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  offramp: <Shams: <Emily Dickinson used hyphens in her poetry> Negative, she used the em-dash. C'est pas la meme chose!>

I'm not sure that is right. I thought an editor or publisher did the punctuation. I am in London so I do not have access to Emily Dickensonseses'ss manuscripts. Perhaps someone else can have a look.

Mar-30-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Who the hell does this guy think he is, Kasparov or something?
Mar-30-18
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  HeMateMe: Wotta game! White finishes with B-h6+ and BxR#.
Mar-30-18  schnarre: ...White made good use of the Knight pair here: I think a decent game for showing newer players effective Knight use.
Mar-30-18
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Who devised the pun? Stand up and take a bow.
Mar-30-18
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  jith1207: <finishes with Bh6 and BxR>

I don't think that's possible as queen will be under the attack.

More like, 23...Kg7 24.Qh6+ Kxf6 25.Bg5#

Mar-30-18  scholes: This gambit was played by alphazero against stockfish
Mar-30-18
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  HeMateMe: <I don't think that's possible as queen will be under the attack.>

you're right.

Mar-30-18
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  morfishine: <An Englishman: Good Evening: Who devised the pun? Stand up and take a bow> Sorry to burst your bubble, but this pathetic game title does nothing more than showcase plagarism craftily at work

Previously, "Marjanov Error" was submitted, which barely remained afloat as a mid-level play on word referencing 'margin of error'. The submitter for the new failed attempt simply added 'The' in front of 'Marjanov Error' which frankly is also ludicrous rubbish since what we know is 'margin of error' NOT 'The Margin of Error' which doesn't exist at all

Perfect timing though, today is trash pickup day, so there's time to deposit this one on the curb to await the garbage man's arrival

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Mar-30-18
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  ChessHigherCat: An Englishman says stand up and take a bow and morfishine says stand up an take an arrow.
Mar-30-18  sfm: <Annie K.: Ah, thanks, although that was posted over 4 years ago. Not that I mind its resurfacing. ;)> And THAT was posted more than 8 years ago. So we have a discussion spanning over 12 years. My opinion (probably tremendously important):
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Richard Taylor is certainly entitled to write as he wants. This forum is volunteer contributions, and unless something is written to offend, disturb etc. it in general OK.
Mar-30-18
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  morfishine: Well, now we're really having Fun, Fun, Fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDH...

lol

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Mar-30-18  Whitehat1963: Crushing!
Mar-30-18
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  landshark: I had a hard time seeing why the resignation upon 23. Nf6+ but eventually got it. Prior to seeing that move played, I had studied the position after Black's 22nd move and came up with 23. Nxf8+ Kg7 24. Qh7+ Kxf8 25. Qg8# or 24.... Kf6 25. Nd7# .
Mar-31-18
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  Richard Taylor: Actually Dickinson didn't use "em" dashes. She deliberately made language ambiguous. See Cristanne Miller in her 'Emily Dickinson: A Poet's Grammar'. But I seem to have got a little carried away here...I recall these but not the lead up to it all.
Mar-31-18
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  Richard Taylor: <Thrajin: <Richard Taylor>, reading your post (above) reminds me of James Joyce's Ulysses. LOL!> ! 'Ulysses' is a great book indeed. I am not up there with Joyce of course but even to be reminded of him. I read parts of Ulysses a lot. I have also heard Joyce reciting 'Anna Livia Plurabelle' and also singing. He had a great voice and sang beautifully. Obviously I mean on the radio, not in person!
Mar-31-18
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  Richard Taylor: Actually these games you know that Kasparov had it under control pretty well.

But I can understand people getting confused by this kind of a chess game. Kasparov seemed to specialize in demolishing this kind of set up at one stage. I recall playing his games over in GM Murray Chandler's NZ Listener column. He had Kasparov's games and a lot of the famous GMs of that time. A lot of Kasparov's games were amazing attacks. One was an early exchange sacrifice that worked as a positional sacrifice really.

He came via Botvinnik's "school" to the apprenticeship of battling it out with Karpov who got old in the process. And he also found that to beat Petrosian he needed to learn to play like him rather that trying a more direct approach. Sometimes I think his thinking was over complex. He also liked the idea that not only could he calculate as well as such as Tal or anyone but he had some of Tal's or that Tal-like flair; that is he liked the idea that some of his attacks were also intuitive. As with his Q sac against Karpov I think it was the 1990 match when he played white in a Ruy Lopez in the Flohr-Zaitsev system. Very complex. I saw the video of the match. Karpov arrived late for each game. In analysis they both seemed to mostly concur. Once the interviewer asked Karpov why he put a piece back to the square it had come from (after his move), and how could the great Karpov waste time moving a piece back. His reply was: "Of course you sometimes have to, otherwise you get a-smashed."!

Jun-09-18
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  OhioChessFan: I just looked at the GOTD archive and saw there are a serious of reboots of the month of puns submitted by the membership. Not sure why, but it's fine.
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