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Jose Raul Capablanca vs T A Carter
Simul, 23b (1909), St. Louis, MO USA, Dec-08
King's Gambit: Declined. Classical Variation General (C30)  ·  1-0
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Apr-24-07  nimzo knight: Took me around 2 minutes, would have never found it OTB.
Apr-24-07  rochade18: I didn't find the correct move, though it looks so simple to me now.
Apr-24-07
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  playground player: I don't care if it is a Tuesday puzzle--I thought along with Capablanca! Yes, for a minute there, I was as good as Capablanca. Of course, the thing that separates me from Capablanca is that Capa knew how to get to move 28.
Apr-24-07  newton296: nice to see a kings gambitt from the great one, ! basically its 22) R sak 28) Q sak double check and 30) rh8mate. straight forward and risk free. I must be on a roll got monday instantly and todays after 1 or 2 minutes of thought. Considered 28) Q takes r+ first but no good follow up in that line , than Qg7 struck me.
Apr-24-07  twin phoenix: Q- g7 was the first thing i looked at. didn't see that it worked so i stumbled around for a few moments until i came back and actually analyzed Q-g7. then i found it worked. really a quite charming denoument...

as to the rook for knight sack i can't believe for a moment that Capa would hesitate to play such a move. (22. RXh5) it is clearly winning. computers still have a lil catching up to do in matters of positional sacks and this is a prime example. funny that 2 different comp programs rate it as 'bad' when it pays off according to <JG27pyth> it wins in 10 moves... i think Capa would probably fair better than 0% chance of winning vs a comp. but like my sister says; "Once John Henry died while beating a machine at manual labor noone since has ever doubted that machines can do more work than humans... the same is obviously true today with computers and logical thinking."

Apr-24-07  newton296: ridding blacks strong f4 knight plus whites e3 knight ithching to get too f5 plus the f3Q coming to the now open h file with mate threats on the H file, and all this for 1 measly pawn , The sac is begging too be made, and this game is a reminder of capablanca's keen positional judgement.
Apr-24-07  ccolby: Ironically, the power of the queen is what makes it the ideal piece to sacrifice. Its power makes flight impossible, forcing the adversary to capture into an impossible twist.
Apr-24-07  newton296: timex!? agree that the 10)...c6 11)...b5 plan by itself is ineffective. But I think ...c6 than ...b5 ...b4 not 12)...be7!? and now black has his own king side threats and white has to put his attack on hold or black opens up lines of attack with b4xc4 followed by ...rb8 and ...Qa5! throw in the black knight at f4 and black is winning so white would have to close off the center with the ugly 13) b5 locking in his bishop and black is about = here I think.
Apr-24-07
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  dzechiel: A very pretty queen sac leading to two different mates, depending on how black chooses to capture the queen. A very nice Tuesday puzzle.
Apr-24-07  pggarner: How about 28.Ng7 followed by 29.Qf5 and 30.Qh7#, which is also mate in 3?

Black has two free moves, but can't prevent the queen from reaching f5.

If Black takes the knight on move 29, White has the doublecheck h6xg7+ follwed by mate, and if Black takes the knight on move 30, White still has 31h6xg7+ Kxg7, 32.Qh7#

Apr-24-07  zb2cr: A fun little puzzle. I saw it in perhaps 15 seconds. The double check that results after capture on g7 was the key.

Who was it that said: "The laziest King flees wildly in the face of a double check"?

Apr-24-07  Chess Classics: This one gave me a minutes pause. I looked briefly at 28. Qxg8 for about a minute...

Regards,
CC

Apr-24-07  ruzon: Why did Black play 12. ... Be7 instead of 12. ... a5? That seemed to be the moment where he gave up attacking and let Capablanca start being brilliant again. The Knight pin can be released with Qd6.
Apr-24-07  zb2cr: <ruzon>,

I think he was planning the maneuver ... Nc5 - Ne6. Black's position isn't particularly bad after his 14th move. To me, the move 15. ... g6 looks like a bad plan, as it makes White's Pawn assault go much faster. Perhaps Black's 15th is when he should have applied your suggested ... a5?

Apr-24-07  concreteengineer: Got this one quickly, but I agree with nimzoknight - I would not have seen it OTB - nor would I have made it to move 28 in this position. I like the puzzles based on the older games as they usually play out to mate or close enough that you can clearly see the end. With some of the newer games they resign so early that you have to be a GM (or have a computer program) to see what the likely end is. That makes it hard on us less skilled players who are trying to learn.
Apr-24-07  THE pawn: I saw it instantly. I'm still shocked at how hard the last sunday was, though. (even if I have it in my collection)
Apr-24-07  kapabl: <pggarner: How about 28.Ng7 followed by 29.Qf5 and 30.Qh7#, which is also mate in 3?>

Not quite. Black is not forced to capture the knight. He can play anything else, lets say, 28...Qa5 and 29...b4. Now 30.Qh7+ doesn't work. Since the pawn is still on h6, Black can play 30...Kxh7.

As <ccolby> pointed out, 28.Qg7+ forces Black to do something about it and White can recapture and open the h-file.

Apr-24-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <twin phoenix: (22. RXh5) it is clearly winning. computers still have a lil catching up to do in matters of positional sacks and this is a prime example. funny that 2 different comp programs rate it as 'bad' when it pays off according to <JG27pyth> it wins in 10 moves>

Deeper (21-ply) analysis by HIARCS indicates that 22. Rxh5 does give some advantage to white (+1.2 or so), but 22.Ng2 also takes care of the inconvenient knight on f4, and wins easily (+4.5 or so). So, the move is good, but not the best.

Apr-25-07  twin phoenix: tks <mostlyaveragejoe> the N-g2 line does look very strong. think it's safe to say that black was just plain in trouble here. (a freshly opened can o corn!) guess i'm just old fashioned cuz i woulda played the exchange sack in a heart beat. it just fits into what i find aesthetically pleasing in chess... tks for the analysis tho. who said; "once you find a good move look for another one, there may be an even stronger move in the position."? advice that certainly fits here.
Apr-25-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <twin phoenix: who said ... ? >

"When you see a good move, look for a better one" is generally attributed to E. Lasker.

Apr-25-07
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  fm avari viraf: Capa is well-known for his end game prowess. But here he launches a furious attack on the Black's castled king which is a delicacy to relish.
Apr-26-07  Fisheremon: It was a surprise from Capa that he denied the simple 22.Ng2 and went to an unclear sac 22.Rxh5, cos' 23...Qd6!? (instead of 23...Rae8??) seemed defendable.
Sep-15-14  talwnbe4: 23.. Qb6 pinning the e3 knight to the undefended white rook is what gives black a reasonable defense. 22. Ng2 Stockfish gives it 6.0, i.e 22. Ng2 Ng6 23. Qxh5 h6 24. Ne3 Qd7 25. Ng4 Qe6 26. Nxh6 Nf4 27. Qf3 Bxh6 28. Rxh6+ 10.0
Jun-10-15
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  TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in St. Louis, Missouri on December 8, 1909.

Capablanca scored +21=1-1.

Apr-01-17
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  MissScarlett: <Got Carter>
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