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| May-07-03 | | Calli: Neat sac by Capa. At least good for equality. Black plays well up to a point. I don't understand 20...b6. c6 at some point looks more solid. He could try something along the lines of h4-h3 with Rg8. His 21...Ne6?? is bad. I'll bet Capa played Nxf7 pretty quick! This score is right. I have the corrected Capablanca database. Game was played on February 22, 1922. |
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Oct-23-03
 | | chessgames.com: This is the correct score of a game being recently discussed. |
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| Dec-12-03 | | Lawrence: Ughaibu, is a sacrifice a sacrifice when it isn't really a sacrifice? I'm only quibbling but I'm sure you know what I mean. Junior 8 only started giving Capa a plus score after he "lost" his Queen. Down on material but way up on position. Well, OK, it WAS a sacrifice..... except that...... (stop quibbling, Lorenzo). Calli, your moves h4 and c6 are exactly what Junior 8 recommends for Black to play on moves 18 and 19 respectively. I was flabbergasted when Capa "lost" his Queen like that but little J8 didn't blink an eyelash. Capa slowly built up his positional lead and then Chase blew the game with 23.....Qh7 instead of Kd7. |
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| Dec-12-03 | | ughaibu: A sacrifice is only a sacrifce when the sacrificer loses, so this wasn't I was wrong. |
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Dec-12-03
 | | Chessical: A sacrifice is when you give up material for an anticipated advantage or outcome. If it does not work it is still a sacrifice, (perhaps doubly so: your material, and the usually the game). |
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| Dec-12-03 | | ughaibu: Chessical: Is that your attitude when sacrificing virgins to the Sun? |
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| Dec-12-03 | | technical draw: Capa's Queen sacrifice is really impressive. If you look at the position after 10..Bxf3, it's really hard to see any advantage for white. Could it have been an intuitive sacrifice? |
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| Dec-13-03 | | Lawrence: t.d., I don't think it was intuitive for the following reason. After 8.Be3 Junior 8 calculates 8.....h5 9.Nd2 g4 10.Qd1 Bf5.(-0.24) (Better was 8.....g4 9.Qe2 Qh4+)(-1.27) Do you see something strange here? In the 8.....h5 line J8 does NOT include 9.....Bg4 winning the Queen! Why? Because it has figured out that Bg4 is not the strongest move. As Calli said in the first posting, "At least good for equality" and that's exactly what J8 shows. After 9.Nd2, J8 sees in just a few seconds that Black's best answer is g4 (-0.18) and that Bg4 gives White a plus score for the first time in the game (but tiny, +0.01 is the equality that Calli speaks of). And what I'm saying is that if Junior can see it then Capa could, though most of us can't. |
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| Dec-13-03 | | technical draw: <lawrence> Thanks for the input. However, even if a computer calculates the exact moves with mathematical precision, I believe the human player can play intuively even if the move he makes agrees with the computer. J8 "sees" the sequence only after calculation. Capa "sees" it almost instantly. |
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| Dec-14-03 | | Shadout Mapes: The arguement on what a sacrifice is has always differed from person to person. I'd consider this a sacrifice, just because he doesn't get material equality immiediatly, it's a posiitonal thing (which is what JC does best). But then in the famous Botvinnik - Capablanca game, I have trouble with people saying Botvinnik sacrificed "two pieces" when the knight sac won the piece back with a simple fork a move later. I guess it depends on the grandeur. I'm afraid I just can't accept ughaibu's definition of sacrifice. Even taken in it's literal form (sacrificing virgins to the sun, one of my favorite pastimes), you still give something up while expecting something in return. |
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| Feb-26-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: Black should have fought fire with fire and sacrificed the queen right back with 11. ...Qxf6! of course white can still win a pawn after 12.exf6 Be4 13.Bxg5 but black holds a positional advantage after 13. ...Rg8 14.h4 Bd6 (threatening 15. ...Bg3+) black now having 4 developed pieces to whites one. White cant castle queenside because of the strongly posted black bishop on e4 and therefore it appears the white king would be stuck in the center. It would have been interesting to see Capas treatment of 11. ...Qxf6! |
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Mar-01-05
 | | beatgiant: <InspiredByMorphy>
11...Qxf6 is an interesting try.
<White cant castle queenside because of the strongly posted black bishop on e4 and therefore it appears the white king would be stuck in the center.> I think White can and would castle queenside after 11...Qxf6 12. exf6 Be4 13. Bxg5 Rg8 14. h4 Bd6 15. 0-0-0! If then 15...Rxg5 16. hxg5 Bf4+ 17. Rd2 Bxg5 18. Rxh5 keeps the material advantage. Otherwise, White can neutralize the Black bishop on e4 by playing Nf3 followed by Bd3 or Nd2, and then try to take advantage of the extra pawn. |
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Mar-01-05
| | beatgiant: <Lawrence>
<Chase blew the game with 23.....Qh7 instead of Kd7.>
I think it is already too later, since after 23...Kd7 24. Bxd5 followed by Bxf7 and pushing the e-pawn, White still looks winning. |
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Mar-01-05
| | beatgiant: <Calli>
<I don't understand 20...b6. c6 at some point looks more solid.> Move 20 also looks a little late for Black, for example 20...c6 21. c4! opens a good attack in the center and queenside. |
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| Mar-04-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: <beatgiant> Thanks. Your correct. Whites queen sac is more sound than I thought. |
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| Aug-16-05 | | paladin at large: David Hooper felt that the queen sacrifice should rank among the best ever made. It certainly impressed the young Irving Chernev, who was on hand, and asked Capablanca if it were sound, right after Capa made it. Capa answered "Wait and see". The game is all the more astounding for being a simul. |
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| Aug-16-05 | | mack: Blimey, why have I never seen this game before? |
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| Aug-16-05 | | WMD: Maybe Alekhine used his malign influence to suppress it in the hope of tarnishing Capablanca's genius. |
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| Feb-03-07 | | positionalgenius: Impressive game from capablanca. |
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| Aug-30-07 | | sanyas: The immortal simultaneous game, I think. |
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| Aug-30-07 | | RookFile: I can't believe this is sound, and that black doesn't have some way to get an advantage or win this. |
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| Aug-30-07 | | gmgomes: it is not a typical Capa game |
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| Aug-30-07 | | paladin at large: No, it is not a typical Capa game. Whatever the mix of calculation and intuition, Capa could see that he quickly gains two minor pieces and a pawn for his queen, plus excellent position. |
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| Dec-30-08 | | Garech: Well everyone, whatever way you look at it, it was a great game from Capablanca ... I don't think many people would have given up the queen in that situation, it's a credit to his massive skill that he did ... I really think this should be a game of the day in the future. |
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Dec-30-08
 | | sleepyirv: <Garech> It certainly has good pun potential. |
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