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Mikhail Tal vs Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian
Curacao Candidates (1962)  ·  French Defense: Classical. Burn Variation (C11)  ·  0-1
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Jul-23-05
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  hintza: I very much doubt that.
Jul-23-05
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  tamar: <lentil> This game was played in round 8. The fact that Tal drew with Petrosian in round 15 with the Black pieces would indicate that Tal wasn't trying to help anyone, and struggled hard even though his kidneys were getting worse.
Jul-27-05  ARTIN: black clearly has a distinct positional advantage even before the blunder.
Mar-01-06
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  MorphyMatt: isn't zugswang german? or is that Zwishengzug?
Mar-01-06
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  CapablancaFan: The ever attacking Tal going up against the cool, calm, positional player Petrosian. Dosen't it feel like Tal desperately tries to work up an attack and Petrosian just sits back and let Tal trip over his own shoes? It is amazing that Tal blundered at the end with 20. Ra2? He didn't make those mistakes.
Mar-01-06
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  tamar: <...somewhere around move 8 I thought for more than an hour, trying to choose between two normal continuations, both of which would give White an opening advantage. First I wrote down one move, then the other...and then unable to decide which was stronger, I suddenly made a third, ridiculous move. By move 13, White already stood worse, and then to top it all off, I immediately blundered away a bishop.>

Tal's account of this game quoted from Timman's Curacao 1962

Mar-02-06  zev22407: Zwshenzug is "In between move" also in German.
Apr-11-06
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  Sasportas: A move in between is a "Zwischenzug" - the fact that you are forced to move in a given position where you would prefer that it was your opponent's turn is called "Zugzwang". "Zug" in German means move, "Zwang" means coercion or necessity. German chessplayers sometimes note with pride that it's their language that coined many terms used by English-speaking chessplayers. In other fields of human interest it's generally the other way round. This is probably because all these notions are from the 19th century...
Oct-17-06  positionalgenius: Ouch!
Aug-22-07  arnaud1959: You can find some other german words in chess. Like "blitz", "zeitnot"... I think they are commonly used because they are only "one word" (mostly composed of two) to replace an "expression" in another language.
Aug-22-07  Raskolnikov: You know they use symbols in Informator to annotate games. It is interesting that the word "zeitnot" exists in many languages like English, Russian, French. And there are some more like zwischenzug, endspiel (exists in Russian), fingerfehler and so on. I think the reason is that in the 19th century "das Volk der Dichter und Denker" contributed the most for the development of chess.
Aug-22-07
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  whiteshark: Generally, it's possible in German to create a new word when combining two nouns.
Aug-22-07  D4n: What is protecting the Rook on c4 from the white queen on d3?
Aug-22-07  ikipemiko: <D4n>The bishop from c6
May-11-08
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  whiteshark: <9.Bxf6?> has been a completely wrong idea.
May-31-08  Marmot PFL: < tamar> Tal was winning that game too, but lacked the stamina to put Petrosian away.
Dec-26-09
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  Domdaniel: Tal's 8.Qd3 really is horrible. It effectively forces him to follow up with an exchange on f6 and a Queen excursion, temporarily grabbing pawns but losing time. But if he tries to follow 8.Qd3 with anything else, his development is compromised, especially the Bf1.

White's alternative 8th moves, as mentioned by Tal, were probably 8.Bb5+ (OK, but Black should equalize) and 8.dxc5 (not great either). The very fact that Tal should have such trouble choosing his 8th move suggests an earlier deviation from this line -- not easy with this move order.

The position at move 7 can arise from either the Rubinstein (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4) or Burn (3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxd4) variations. In some Rubinstein sequences, such as 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Nf3 Ngf6 6.Nxf6+ Nxf6, white can omit Bg5 and play 7.Bd3 ... probably his best line, though it wasn't an option here. But blocking his LSB with his queen wasn't one of Tal's best choices.

In any case, fashion has moved on. Steinitz's 4.e5 is now the main line.

Dec-26-09
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  Domdaniel: Since this is a French, let's not forget "en passant", "en prise" and "j'adoube" ...
Feb-13-12  LoveThatJoker: Petrosian = Tactical Monster!

LTJ

Feb-13-12  M.D. Wilson: Spassky said the same following Petrosian's Title defense in 1966. Still, this was not the best tournament for Tal, who was playing on one kidney. Pick a fair fight, LTJ.
Feb-14-12  LoveThatJoker: <M.D. Wilson> :D

LTJ

Feb-14-12
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  brankat: Even one M.Tal couldn't have always played like Tal :-) Especially when ill.
Feb-14-12  SChesshevsky: <<By move 13, White already stood worse, and then to top it all off, I immediately blundered away a bishop.>>

Tal certainly didn't seem on form. I thought it surprising he gave up the b-file and let Black invade with 15. Qa3.

Maybe 15. Rb1 exchanging rooks and having the a passed pawn gives some drawing chances.

Aug-23-12
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  perfidious: Cafferty noted that Tal spent an hour on the unnatural-looking 8.Qd3. Two rounds later, he tried 8.Bc4 (Tal vs Benko, 1962) with better results.

< SChesshevsky: ....Maybe 15. Rb1 exchanging rooks and having the a passed pawn gives some drawing chances.>

Maybe so, though 15.Rab1 Rxb1 16.Rxb1 0-0, followed by ....Bxf3 looks unpleasant.

Dec-25-12
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  notyetagm: Tal vs Petrosian, 1962


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20 Ra1-a2?? <alignment: a2+c4>


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20 ... Ra4xBc4! 0-1


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21 Qd3xRc4 Bc6-d5 <skewer: c4,a2>


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