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|Mar-17-05|| ||zb2cr: I actually saw this one all the way...but it's not that hard since
both sides are completely forced.
After 35 Rxf8+ either taking with the Rook or ... Kg7 are immediate
mates. So the King move and the skewer are forced. To me, it looks
like Black has no alternative to 37 ... Qe5. I saw that far and
said "Darn it, going to have to keep up a perpetual by checking on b7
and c8"--then saw 39 Qh1, saving everything.
|Mar-17-05|| ||sandyobrien: <patzer2>
<35.Rh7+ Kg8 (35...Nxh7 36.Qxh7+ Kf8 37.Ne6+ Ke8 38.Nxc5+ Kd8 39.Qe7#) 36.Ree7 Qxe7 37.Rxe7 Rxd4 38.a4>
I saw this before exploring the possibilities of 35.Rxf8+, and I think I like it better.
|Mar-17-05|| ||klausewitz: I've got this one. In the week 3-1 for me. But the last white move... |
|Mar-17-05|| ||Stonewaller2: <Fulkrum: I don't agree that chess is ever easy.> Au contraire mon frere, all one has to do is find good squares for one's pieces and put one's pieces on good squares. What could be easier? ;) Me, I saw it all the way through to where I played 39. e8#!!???! How unfortunate that Black's was in the way of my brilliancy. Sure hope I would've found 39. h1! or something like it OTB . . . |
|Mar-17-05|| ||rndapology: Well...black had to put something on the e-file. It's the only way to stay alive. I stopped looking after Qxc8 because I thought that the forced blockage of the e-file would make black lose a peice guaranteed. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||Eric Xanthus: I agree that seeing the combination all the way to 39. Qh1 is the goal here, but getting to 37. Qxc8 should give most players the time to regroup, recalculate, and find the winning continuation. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||Timetraveller: <kevin86: Black set a trap in the end >
Black did indeed set a trap, but it was much more subtle than 38. Rxe5. The trap is if White plays the tempting 39. Rh1, then 39... Rh4!! saves the game. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||sinthetiq: i dunno if im getting good or what but i saw Rxf8+ right away. thanks chessgames for making my day! |
|Mar-17-05|| ||dinonykus: Did anybody look at this line?
37...Qg4 38.Qb7 Rd7 39.Qb3 Kg7 (39.Qh1 Kg7)
|Mar-17-05|| ||dinonykus: I don't see an immediate win for white. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||DP12: I saw Qe5 but it did not bother me blacks king is wide open and the position is just waiting for white to mate black so I refocused my analysis to the position after Qxb7 Kf8 and after a few moments found Qh1. I also considered lines like Rh1 Rh4 Rd1!? which maybe fine but Qh1 had the benefit of Rh4 Qxh4 anyway my point is that I would not be surprised given the king position if white had another route to victory for example instead of taking b7,playing Rh1 Rh4 Rd1 the issue is that in that position Qe7 looks possible but maybe white can calmly then play a3!?, how does black continue in that line ? Overall it looks like a strong move Qh1 but perhaps we are making too big a scene? |
|Mar-17-05|| ||YouRang: <dinonykus: Did anybody look at this line?
37...Qg4 38.Qb7 Rd7 39.Qb3 Kg7 (39.Qh1 Kg7)>|
But after 37... Qg4, wouldn't white's reply be 38. Qe8+! Kg7 (forced) then 39. cxd4 (winning for white)?
|Mar-17-05|| ||Timetraveller: <dinonykus:> After 37...Qg4, it looks like 38. Qe8+ is an immediate win. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||yoozum: Yep, got this one. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||patzer2: <Sandyobrien> I assume you understand my 35. Rh7+ line you cited is in response to the possibility <34...Qc5,> after which 35. b4+!, 35. a3!, 35. Rxf8+! or 35. Qh1! are objectively stronger winning alternatives. Even so, I like the <34...Qc5 35. Rh7+> line for its clarity and simplicity, especially for an OTB try. |
|Mar-17-05|| ||erikcu: The thought that ran through my mind was how did black allow 2 rooks to be hanging in jepardy like that. If you look at the move that sets this puzzle up 34. ... Rxd4, it looks like a safe capture of the knight because of the back row threat posed by black's rook and queen. Interesting that in a game we can often convince ourselves of a strong move, but looking at the board out of context, black looks in trouble, and was... |
|Mar-17-05|| ||nateinstein: I suppose if it were Sunday the puzzle would have started on move 26, Rh8+! |
|Mar-18-05|| ||RonB52734: If I'm not mistaken, then as far as the <chessgames.com> database is concerned, 9.g4 is an innovation first seen in this game, and subsequently played on 12 more occasions, sometimes at high (but never highest) levels, with +6, -4, =3 results for white. See http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... . With this move, white begins happily throwing his kingside forward, casually stopping only somewhat later (move 13) to castle long.
It is an interesting move at that particular moment in the game, because white's battery on the d1-h5 diagonal seems to prevent any immediate reaction to the pawn by black, and black has nothing better than 9...Be6 (9...a5 was tried in V Yemelin vs V Loginov, 2001 without ultimate success). Thus, white effectively has several pawn moves on the king side before black can make a direct response. And as we see in the present game, the disruption of black's kingside pawns plays a big part in the outcome of the game. I wonder if any of our stronger players have any comment on this particular twist in the Najdorf opening?
Thanks in advance. |
|Mar-18-05|| ||kevin86: <Timetraveller> I'll go you one better:If 39 h1 h5, threatens mate in two at d1 |
|Mar-18-05|| ||DP12: The idea of this line is obviously based on the English attack with the idea that Be2 is a slightly more useful move than f3. Its not clear that this is true because in the english attack the bishop more often than not is played to d3 or h3. In anycase I myself have used this line in a couple of games just to give my opponent some problems to solve OTB rather than in home analysis. |
|Apr-13-05|| ||Fulkrum: I think you missed my point. It takes work to get good at chess. Even the easy stuff. |
|Nov-01-07|| ||whiteshark: Hübner was nominal Elo-favourite (2,590). Somehow indisposed, he lost this first round game against Rogers, who get a price for the best game of the first round. |
Murray Chandler wrote laconically on the edge of the bulletin: <Hubner withdrew ill after the first round.>
1-3 Spassky, Chandler, Gufeld 7/10 each
4-5 Zs.Polgar, Rogers 6.5/10 each
6 Christiansen 6/10
7 Sarfati 4/10
8-9 Sarapu, Small 3/10
10 Dive 2/10
11 Ker 1.5/10
Note: In his last round game Spassky drew against ChandlerSpassky vs Chandler, 1988 missing a one move piece win, otherwise he would have been sole winner...
|Jan-15-10|| ||elohah: 8 !
Since I am currently playing only
8 f3 in this line, I need to use
this line at my level and PUNISH
|Dec-29-10|| ||GrahamClayton: <whiteshark>Murray Chandler wrote laconically on the edge of the bulletin: <Hubner withdrew ill after the first round.>|
Hubner was definitely off his game, as he probably expected 27.d5, and totally missed 27.h8+.
|Aug-03-14|| ||Ke2: See Carlsen - Nakamura Tata Steel 2011|
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