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| Aug-13-07 | | whiteshark: What? Draw this, when 2 games behind? |
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| Oct-31-07 | | RookFile: This is just another illustration of the fact that Kasparov had flaws in his match play. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | Riverbeast: Kramnik took a page out of Kasparov's book in this match, though - resurrecting old lines and finding new wrinkles in them. Remember when Kasparov busted out the Scotch against Karpov and showed new ways of playing it? Kramnik's brilliant reanalysis of the Berlin Defense (which had previously been considered inferior for black) was what won him this match in many ways. Kasparov could not win a single game against it. After that the Berlin became all the rage, and a lot of the top GMs started playing it. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | KamikazeAttack: <RookFile: This is just another illustration of the fact that Kasparov had flaws in his match play.> How insightful. LOl
Don't tell us all along u thought Kasparov was flawless? |
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| Oct-31-07 | | RookFile: Remember that in the '72 match, Fischer showed his versatility, by using a multitude of openings, designed to probe for weaknesses. In this match, Kasparov shows an unwillingness, or lack of preparation, to use this effective technique. Just another example of how Kasparov didn't quite measure up the very best match players. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | KamikazeAttack: RF u r a trip hahaha. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | Riverbeast: <Don't tell us all along u thought Kasparov was flawless?> KamikazeAttack, what's up? I remember you from the Fischer forum. I was under the impression you thought Kasparov was flawless...Weren't you the one arguing that Fischer was overrated, and nowhere near Kasparov's class? |
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| Oct-31-07 | | KamikazeAttack: KamikazeAttack: <Riverbeast: <Don't tell us all along u thought Kasparov was flawless?> KamikazeAttack, what's up? I remember you from the Fischer forum.
I was under the impression you thought Kasparov was flawless...Weren't you the one arguing that Fischer was overrated, and nowhere near Kasparov's class? > Yup, that's me. U agree now:)
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| Oct-31-07 | | RookFile: I think KamikazeAttack admires the 'deer in the headlights' look that Kasparov displayed with this game. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | KamikazeAttack: My main interest isn't so much Kasparov but Fischer being overrated. The myth surrounding the man must be broken. |
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| Oct-31-07 | | RookFile: Ah yes. Kasparov loses, and it's Fischer's fault. Carry on. |
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| Nov-01-07 | | pacelli: Of course it's Bobby's fault. He should have refuted this entire line in the late 70s, but he quit chess back then instead. |
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| Jul-24-08 | | RookFile: Fischer would have cut off his right arm before he played a game like this - especially two games down with the match winding down. A win here would have put Kasparov within a victory of tying up the match. |
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| Sep-11-08 | | Karpova: Vladimir Kramnik: <Kasparov hadn't recovered from the blow in Game 12, understanding that he'd missed a real chance to take hold of the match. Apparently he had a sleepless night. He came out to Game 13 in a state. I felt this, I saw the bags under his eyes, and at the board I decided to change the variation that I'd prepared earlier. I realised that at this point he could only win in the opening, if he got a big advantage. I basically gave him a tempo by changing the move order. So he got a position that was even more favourable than in the home analysis, but in that he knew the move order and in this he just flailed around, he mixed everything up.> Bareev, Evgeny & Levitov, Ilya: "From London to Elista", Alkmaar, 2007, page 149 |
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| Sep-17-08 | | RookFile: Once upon a time, in the first game of the first Tal vs. Botvinnik match, Botvinnik made an unusual move.... that put Tal in an unknown situation. Rather than concede a draw, Tal reached down, outcalculated Botvinnik, and won the game. |
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| Dec-20-11 | | Lil Swine: tal would've been a lot better if it weren't for his smoking, drinking, and hospitalization |
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| Nov-07-15 | | Everett: <Premium Chessgames MemberOct-31-07 RookFile: Remember that in the '72 match, Fischer showed his versatility, by using a multitude of openings, designed to probe for weaknesses. In this match, Kasparov shows an unwillingness, or lack of preparation, to use this effective technique.> Probably has to do with Kasparov's multiple WC match defenses. '86, '87, '90, '93, '95 and '00. Probably a little burnt out at this point. Not so easy to keep it fresh when everyone was coming after you for 15 years after winning the WC. Of course, Kasparov wasn't the one-and-done "chess is played out so I quit" kind of guy. |
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| Nov-07-15 | | Everett: <memberJul-24-08 RookFile: Fischer would have cut off his right arm before he played a game like this -> He'd sooner quit, clearly. |
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| Feb-20-16 | | RookFile: Actually, Fischer's 1992 match with Spassky gives us a clue what Fischer would have done. Remember that Spassky caught Fischer unprepared for the latest wrinkles in the Ruy and won a game with black. Fischer switched to a system where he played d3 and deferred the d4 push until later. He sometimes played like this - see his game against Smyslov in My 60 memorable games. This approach allows white to play for a long grind. |
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| Feb-20-16 | | RookFile: Fischer vs Smyslov, 1965 |
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| Feb-20-16 | | RookFile: In this game, Anand makes good us of an early d3 strategy. Of course black gets a lot of draws in this line too. My feeling on the matter is if you want to win you keep as many pieces on the board as possible. Anand vs Kramnik, 2013 |
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| Feb-29-16 | | snack: I had the good fortune of attending games #12 and #13 at the Hammersmith Studios (thanks Dad!). This game ended so early in fact that Michael Adams and Eric Schiller invited people to the main board for some impromptu blitz! I was selected to play Mr. Schiller (being a chubby 14 y.o American, I must have screamed "Minnow"). Indeed, my lowly USCF rating of ~1140, should have meant no-contest, but according to the commentators (including Adams and L. Evans, IIRC), I had a winning Re2 - trapping a stranded knight FtW!! Sadly, I missed my chance, Schiller recovered and ended up winning. I guess it is a longshot, but should anyone have the footage / transcript of the game - I would be very grateful! Here's hoping / TIA
1.e4! |
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| Mar-05-24 | | DanLanglois: Now hold on, in the match, Kasparov is losing, Kramnik doesn't need a win. Kasparov is White. 13th round, this match was over in 15. Kasparov drew the last five games. Why is this one an agreed 14 move draw!? A grandmaster draw? In a world title match? What's the story, did Kasparov have the flu? Plausible of course to speculate that Kramnik had Kasparov demoralized. I remember reading something about how Kramnik had, in the previous 100 games before this match, only lost one game. Good defense, I suppose. I'm pondering whether we see something revelatory in Kramnik's reliance on the Berlin defense, or is it really not a big deal, as here, where Kasparov is saying 'draw' after 14 moves. |
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| Mar-06-24 | | mk volkov: <DanLanglois < Now hold on, in the match, Kasparov is losing, Kramnik doesn't need a win. Kasparov is White. 13th round, this match was over in 15. Kasparov drew the last five games. Why is this one an agreed 14 move draw!? >> "The match was over: 7:5 and only 4 games... without White. After 12th game I didn't sleep all night and couldn't play next day. In 13th game I prepared an interesting idea in Spanish from 11th game, but Kramnik again played Berlin Wall and moved the king to e8, avoided the idea of me and Adams. I've lost the path of the game, made two unprecise moves and right away offered a draw in a bit worse position. Kramnik: "I thought, Kasparov must continue, but couldn't find any force." (Kasparov. "My Chess Way, Vol. III") |
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| Mar-06-24 | | DanLanglois: After 10...Ke8 White to move:
click for larger view11. Ne4 c5 12. c3 b6 13. Re1 Be6 14. g4
click for larger viewdraw.
White has better.
11. Rd1 Be7 12. g4 Nh4 13. Nxh4 Bxh4 14. Ne2 h5 15. f3 a5 14. Nf4: 
click for larger view+- This line includes some big decisions, of course, for Black. Take it for a look at what White having a better pawn structure can look like. |
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