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Paul Morphy vs Louis Paulsen
"Morphy's Law" (game of the day Apr-20-12)
1st American Chess Congress (1857)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Paulsen-Basman Defense (B40)  ·  1-0
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Sep-20-13  Conrad93: Yes, but the fact still remains that Morphy played at a 1900-2100 rating by modern standards. His play is only impressive because his opposition was weak.
Sep-20-13
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  Jim Bartle: Don't worry, Conrad, you're still in the Hall of Fame.
Sep-20-13
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  perfidious: <Jim>: One would think such titans as named by <Conrad> were well qualified to evaluate their rivals-if in no wise the equal of the estimable <Conrad>, whose boundless power and wisdom sweep all before him. After all, the only thing worth mentioning that such great players did was sit at the board opposite fellow top players, time after time.

With bated breath, we await the next pearl of wisdom to flow forth from <Conrad>, which will surely enlighten we poor lost souls.

Sep-20-13  JoergWalter: <Jim Bartle>; <perfidious>

nothing to add. Just one question: does the "93" in <conrad93> stand for his IQ or Elo? Or both?

Sep-21-13  Conrad93: Perifidious, stop with the sarcasm.

Do you also hold Greco in high regard just because his opposition was crap?

Let's be honest. Morphy is highly overrated. Fischer was not too smart by putting him in the top.

The discussion is not chess related anyway. It's just based on common-sense, which is what many Morphy fans seem to lack.

Sep-25-13  Wyatt Gwyon: Paul Morphy is possibly only a 1900 player by today's standards? lmao.
Sep-25-13  Conrad93: Wyatt, these type of combinations are not beyond a very good 1800+ rated opponent.
Sep-25-13
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  Jim Bartle: Listen, I set my computer program to "Morphy style" and I beat it. So how strong could he have been?
Sep-25-13  Wyatt Gwyon: I'm a pretty decent 1800 player myself. I'd consider it an accomplishment to simply not suffer a miniature loss to Morphy. You do realize there's more to it than just hitting a combination, right? Now, explain what you understand that Kasparov, Fischer, Smyslov, etc. do not.
Sep-25-13  Conrad93: I understand that it was remarkable for it's time, but typical in this day and age.

It has lost it's lustre.

The greats are just repeating what everyone else had said.

Like I said, they are biased.

Sep-25-13
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  offramp: I was expecting 17.Bxh5.
Sep-27-13
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <Conrad93>, with all due respect, Reti, Euwe, Smyslov studied thousands of games, while Kasparov and Fischer studied tens of thousands of games. In chess, that makes you a historian. Kasparov has written a book or two with the title On My Great Predecessors.

You've written, "Like I said, they are biased." What proof can you offer in support of this claim? Indeed, I've written before that I want to know what you know, and I still want to know. GMs and World Champions look at the same games as you and say Morphy was one of the greats. It just seems like common sense to conclude that they must know something. If you know something they don't, I'm still willing to look at it.

Sep-27-13
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  offramp: Paulsen's play is pretty baffling at times in this game. He has the good idea of putting a pawn on f4. This stops white playing f4 in support of the pawn on e5.

Morphy plays 13.Ne4. Now Paulsen could have played 13...Ng6 and annihilated the pe5, then followed up with ...Bc7 to get rid of the white bishop on d6.

Instead he plays another reasonable move to get rid of that bishop: 13...Nf5.

Morphy responds with 14.Bh5. The obvious answer to that is to continue with 14...Nxd6. White would play 15.Nxd6, but then black would play a later ...Bc7 (after ...Rf8), ...Qg5, ...b6 or ...b5, ...Bb7 and things are looking okay.

Sep-30-13  Conrad93: Steinitz is greater than Morphy. And he lived in the same time period.

Morphy was a great player, but he doesn't deserve to be in the top ten list.

Sep-30-13  SimonWebbsTiger: And Conrad goes on...!

I would rather be treated by a doctor today than Hippocrates. Hippocrates' book on medicine is still a Classic because his observations are still true even though he had no clue about bacteria, viruses, etc.

A helpful analogy, I hope.

Sep-30-13  Conrad93: Not really.

It's a poor analogy, because chess and medicine are not even closely related.

Sep-30-13  drleper: The following is a public service announcement to chessgames.com members regarding Conrad93: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don%27...

Yup, take care!

Sep-30-13  Conrad93: "It is, of course an improper argumentum ad hominem (personal attack), when you accuse a user of being a troll just because you don't like what they are saying or the way they are saying it. Don't accuse someone of being a troll just to dismiss their argument. Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean the user is trying to be disruptive, so it is necessary to measure the suspected troll against the description given above."

I don't fit any of those descriptions.

Oct-01-13  SimonWebbsTiger: Conrad is still here to learn, folks!

Morphy was playing good chess before the "Scientific" analysis of chess elements by Steinitz.

Capa remarked the combinations blind people to Morphy's positional flair.

Hippocrates belongs to a long line of thinkers that saw further and deeper. We see more because we stand on their shoulders, as it was put (about Newton) by Einstein.

Oct-01-13  Jason Frost: <Conrad93> Benign question, are you actually Conrad Holt? I don't think I've ever seen you claim to be in a post and it's not listed on his player page, though you obviously want people to assume it given your name?
Oct-01-13  drleper: <Conrad93> I won't reply any more, but your latest stream of posts (on various pages) look like trolls to me :) Adios!
Nov-30-13  MarkFinan: I'm making a game collection and the game's must meet two 'categories'? ..

1) Be played by a player regarded by the majority of chess historians and fans as being in the top 50 of all time.

2) Be as 'unknown' as possible! A little gem that most regular fans (like me! ) won't have heard of or come across before.

I think this game fits into that, so someone tell me if I'm wrong? I've not heard of this game before and stumbled across it. I think it fits my categories well, and this is the only collection I'll make you'll be pleased to know, so I intend on making it good. Anyone reads this, be it today or in a year, and they know of any others of these type of games, please say....

Btw.. After 8 moves this reminds me of some kinda reversed Caro Kahn!!

Nov-30-13  MarkFinan: This is sheer genius from 'Morphine', but even I could see 25...Nxf6 was a crazy move! Stupid! I could well be wrong as I haven't looked at this game with an engine yet, and I've only flipped through the game twice although I can obviously see black was in Big trouble by that point. Makes me think what GM Gormally (sure that's his name? ) said about him being better than GM'S from a 100 years ago is *slightly* true.
Nov-30-13  Wyatt Gwyon: <MakFinan> What you have to keep in mind is that Morphy was playing possibly at a 1900 level by modern standards, according to one of cg.com's top experts.
Nov-30-13  MarkFinan: Then I have to say I strongly disagree with that expert then! You must be on about Mr Gormless? Lol 😃
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