Jose Raul Capablanca vs Alexander Alekhine (1927) "Roamin' Orthodox"

Jose Raul Capablanca vs Alexander Alekhine
"Roamin' Orthodox" (game of the day Oct-18-08)
Capablanca-Alekhine World Championship Match 1927 · Queen's Gambit Declined: Cambridge Springs Variation (D52) · 0-1

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Jul-07-08		lizardstyle101: this is real chess!!!

Jul-07-08		Jim Bartle: What should white play against 10...Qd5?

Sep-15-08		capin: In the book " My great predecessors, Part 1" , page 382, Kasparov deceives of the opinion of Capablanca, that affirmed that after play 17. --- Be8 the position has all the conditions to win the game and therefore the development system chosen by the black is bad". Kasparov affirmed that Capablanca was enslaved by the traditional concepts. Maybe Kasparov is enslaved in wrong modern concepts!! However as the previous analysis and the next shows that Capablanca was right! In the next variation Toga 1.4.5 is moving the black side: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Nbd7 5. e3 c6 6. Nf3 Qa5 7. Nd2 Bb4 8. Qc2 dxc4 9. Bxf6 Nxf6 10. Nxc4 Qc7 11. a3 Be7 12. Be2 O-O 13. O-O Bd7 14. b4 b6 15. Bf3 Rac8 16. Rfd1 Rfd8 17. Rac1 Be8 18. g3 Nd5 19. Nb2 Qb8 20. Nd3 Bg5 21. Rb1 Qb7 22. e4 Nxc3 23. Qxc3 Qe7 24. h4 Bh6 25. Ne5 g6 26. Be2!! Bg7 27. f4 Kh8 28. Qe3 b5 29. Kf2 Qc7 30. Rbc1 a6 31. Qc3 Kg8 32. Ke3!! f6 33. Nd3 Bf7 34. e5 f5 35. Nc5 Qa7 36. a4 Bf8 37. Bf3 bxa4 38. Qa3 Rb8 39. Qxa4 Be8 40. Ra1 Rb6 41. Qb3 Bf7 42. Qc4 Ra8 43. Ra5 Qc7 44. Nxa6 Qc8 45. Nc5 h6 46. Rda1 Rab8 47. R1a4 Bxc5 48. dxc5 R6b7 49. Ra7 Kg7 50. Qa6 Rxb4 51. Rxb4 Qxa6 52. Rxa6 Rxb4 53. Bxc6 Rc4 54. Ra7 Kf8 55. Ra5 g5 56. Kd3 Rc1 57. Ba4 gxf4 58. gxf4 Ke7 59. Kd4 Bh5 60. Ra7+ Kf8 61. Bb3 Be8 62. Bxe6 Rd1+ 63. Ke3 Re1+ 64. Kd2 Re4 65. Ra6 Ke7 66. Rd6 Rxf4 67. c6 Bxc6 68. Rxc6 Re4 69. Bc8 Rxe5 70. Rxh6 Rc5 71. Ba6 Rd5+ 72. Ke3 Rd6 73. Rh7+ Kf6 74. h5 Kg5 75. Be2 Re6+ 76. Kf2 Rb6 77. Rg7+ Kh6 78. Rf7 Kg5 79. Rg7+ Kh6 80. Rg8 Rd6 81. Kg3 Re6 82. Bf3 Kh7 83. Rd8 Rf6 84. Kf4 Kh6 85. Rd5 Rb6 86. Kxf5 Rc6 87. Ra5 Rb6 88. Re5 Ra6 89. Kg4 Rd6 90. Be4 Rf6 91. Re8 Kg7 1-0 Here Toga 1.4.5c gives the following analysis: 92. Re8e7+ Rf6f7 93. Re7e6 Rf7d7 94. Kg4g5 Kg7f7 95. Re6e5 Rd7d8 96. Be4d5+ Kf7f8 97. h5h6 Rd8c8 98. Kg5g6 Rc8c3 99. Re5f5+ Kf8e7 100. h6h7 Rc3c8 Bd5g8 101. Rc8c6+ Kg6g5 102. Rc6c1 Rf5e5+ 103. Ke7d6 h7h8Q 104. Rc1g1+ Kg5f6 105. Rg1g2 Bg8d5 -14.06/25 237

Sep-15-08		mrbasso: This is not Analysis, just computer games. It shows nothing. Computer engines do make mistakes.

Sep-15-08		capin: can humans win against the newest computer engines running in the current powerful computers? Maybe some game, but in general computer engines wins.... therefore, computers play better chess than today humans. That's a fact! And in this case, every machine moving black side (after 26. Be2!!) lost the game. Then, Capablanca was right. It's a simple reasoning. When Latin America will give another Capablanca?

Oct-18-08		vikinx: I don't know if anyone has kibitzed this before, but there's a mate:Qg2 Qh1#.

Oct-18-08		ChessApplet: < capin: can humans win against the newest computer engines running in the current powerful computers? Maybe some game, but in general computer engines wins.... therefore, computers play better chess than today humans. That's a fact! And in this case, every machine moving black side (after 26. Be2!!) lost the game. Then, Capablanca was right. It's a simple reasoning. When Latin America will give another Capablanca?> Yes that's true. But in my opinion, chess engines are basing only to data that have been programmed to it and choosing the best move for better position. We use it to improve our game and find NEW tactics in countering a solid game.

Oct-18-08		ChessApplet: < Jim Bartle: What should white play against 10...Qd5? >I would like 11.Bd3 allowing white to castle immediately and obtaining a solid center. Later Ne5 can be played.

Oct-18-08		The Rocket: I had a very quick analysis with this game with chessmaster and it does not see any move from Alekhine that gives away the game like Alekhine himself said and also added it was a comedy of errors. theres is not a single big blunder from AA in this game in the quick analysis

Oct-18-08		capatal: "The man's (Alekhine) got to know his limitations."

Oct-18-08		kevin86: What a fantastic finish!! Black will of course mate after the next move.

Oct-18-08		jhoro: this is GOTD today, so i stepped through the game at first without comp and i didn't like Capa's 31.Nxd5, 47.Qd7 and 60.a5. i mean Joe, what are you thinking? you can't disregard the pawn on c3 !? looking with Rybka proves that some of these are pure blunders. so much for the <visayanbraindoctor>'s opinion how blunder free and super quality Capa game was.

Oct-18-08		CapablancaFan: Capa couldn't really cut loose in this game because black's passed c-pawn kept him tied up. Alekhine did a tremendous job of exploiting that fact, and in the end, even the great Capa couldn't overcome the quagmire he found himself in.

Nov-20-08		capin: Yes, after 26. Ng4? with the best moves the game is a draw but after some additional errors Capablanca lost this game. But the point is this is a not perfect game from Alekhine, because Capablanca was in a totally wined position after 26. Be2!! (in addition, Kasparov don't understand the position and don't see that move).

Dec-14-08		brager: according to kasparovs book my great predecessors the queen stands in f1

Jan-02-09		WhiteRook48: 4 queens. Well there are games with more queens

Mar-02-09		tal60: why in the opening does the bishop go to e2? isnt d3 better spot?

Apr-02-09		atahualpa yupanqui: according to chessmaster 11th if Capablanca haved played 47:Rd7 the game was a draw analysis after 46:Qb6 (analysis of the game was 5 minue per move my cpu is not very strong sorry for the low ply) 46:Qb6 Score: 0.00 47.Rd7 Qxf2+ 48.Kh1 Qa2 49.Rd8+ Rxd8 50.Qxd8+ Kh7 51.Qf8 Qb1+ 52.Kh2 Qc2+ 53.Kg1 Qd1+ 54.Kh2 Qd2+ 55.Kh3 Qd7+ 56.Kh2 Qd2+ (Time = 2:08, Depth = 4/15) after 47:Qd7? the score passed from 0,00 to -1,37 Score: -1.37 47...Rc7 48.Qe8+ Kh7 49.Rd8 Qxf2+ 50.Kh3 Qf1+ 51.Kh2 Qxf6 52.Qg8+ Kh6 53.Qf8+ Qg7 54.Qd6 f5 55.Re8 Kh7 56.Qd8 Rd7 57.Qa8 Rd2+ 58.Kh3 Kh6 (Time = 3:39, Depth = 3/14 still there seem Like Alekhine rarely found the best reply to Capa's mistake Capa's greatest mistake a part from moving into a forcd mate was indeed 60:a5?? passed from -0,51 t0 -8,61 Uh-oh! Leads to 60...Qf1 61.Re4 Qf2+ 62.Kh3 Qf5+ 63.Kh2 Rc8 64.Qd4 c2 65.g4 hxg4 66.Re1 c1=Q 67.Rxc1 Rxc1 68.Qe3 Ra1 69.Kg3 Rxa5. Much better is Rc2, leading to 60...Ra8 61.Kg2 Qg7 62.Kf3 Ra7 63.Qxc3 Rxa4 64.Qxg7+ Kxg7 65.Rc6 Ra2 66.Ke4 Rg2 67.Kf3 Rd2 68.Rc7, but Alekhine according to chessmaster did not find the best reply 60:Rd8? (passed from -8,61 to -2,87) Danger! Leads to 61.Kg2 Qf5 62.Qxc3 Rd3 63.Qc2 Qf3+ 64.Kg1 Qxg3+ 65.Kf1 Ra3 66.Qb2 Rxa5 67.Rf2 Rf5 68.Rxf5 Qh3+ 69.Ke2 gxf5. Much better is Qf1, leading to 61.Re4 Qf2+ 62.Kh3 Qf5+ 63.Kh2 Rc8 64.Qd4 c2 65.g4 hxg4 66.Re1 c1=Q 67.Rxc1 Rxc1 68.Qe3 Ra1 69.Kg3 Rxa5, which gains a rook. Black's only meaningful error of the game gave away a won position, but white ended up resigning anyway. 61:a6?? passed from -2,87 to -5,72 Leads to 61...Qf1 62.a7 Rd2 63.Rxd2 Qxc4 64.Rc2 Qa6 65.Rxc3 Qa2+ 66.Kh1 Qxa7 67.Rc2 Kg7 68.Kg2 Qd7 69.Rf2 f6, which wins a rook and a pawn for a queen and a pawn. Better is Kg2, leading to 61...Qf5 62.Qxc3 Rd3 63.Qc2 Qf3+ 64.Kg1 Qxg3+ 65.Kf1 Ra3 66.Qb2 Rxa5 67.Rf2 Rf5 68.Rxf5 Qh3+ 69.Ke2 gxf5, Capablanca continue to make heavy blunder 62:Qe4? passed from -5,74 to -10,40 Score: -10.40 62...Rd2 63.Rg2 Qxa6 64.Qf3 Qc4 65.Rxd2 cxd2 66.Qd1 Qc1 67.Qf3 Kg7 68.g4 hxg4 69.Qxg4 d1=Q 70.Qxd1 Qxd1 71.Kg3 (Time = 4:54, Depth = 4/15) Uh-oh! Leads to 62...Rd2 63.Rg2 Qxa6 64.Qf3 Qc4 65.Rxd2 cxd2 66.Qd1 Qc1 67.Qf3 Kg7 68.g4 hxg4 69.Qxg4 d1=Q 70.Qxd1 Qxd1 71.Kg3. Much better is a7, leading to 62...Rd2 63.Rxd2 Qxc4 64.Rc2 Qa6 65.Rxc3 Qa2+ 66.Kh1 Qxa7 67.Rc2 Qb7+ 68.Kh2 Kg7 69.Rf2 Qd5 70.Re2 Qf3, 65:a8=Q MATE IN 3. 65...Qg1+ 66.Kh3 Qdf1+ 67.Qg2 Qh1# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 1/2)

Apr-12-09		Chessical: <Capin> Further to Alekhine's suggested improvement <26.Nc4>: 26. Nc4 <c5!?> 27. dxc5 (or <27. bxc5> Ba4 28.Re1 Qd7 29. e5 Qxd4 30. Qxd4 Rxd4 31. cxb6 axb6 32. Nxb6 Rc3 33. Re4 Rxe4 34.Bxe4 Rxa3 35. Nxa4 Rxa4=) 27... bxc5 28. Rxd8 Rxd8 29. b5 Bg7 30. e5 with a slight plus for White.

May-04-09		WhiteRook48: pins, pins, pins

Aug-28-09		Whitehat1963: Is this one of Alekhine's greatest achievements? Beating Capablanca with black in a long game. Pretty rare thing to do.

Nov-12-09		Benzol: Could Alyekhin have won with 47...Qxd4?

Nov-12-09		pawn to QB4: I couldn't say of my own knowledge that he couldn't; but the move he did play 47...Qc5 gets a ! from Kasparov: " 'I overlooked this simple reply' (Capablanca). It unexpectedly transpires that the pawn (on f2) has to be given up all the same, only in a far worse version". So I guess the three world champions seen a draw, or great difficulty winning, for Alekhine after 47...Qxd4 48. Qxc8+ Kh7 49. Kg2

Nov-13-09		Benzol: <pawn to QB4> Thanks. Alyekhin probably chose to the best way but if I can continue your line with 49...Qxf6 I think that it is winnable for Black from here.

Nov-13-09		pawn to QB4: must confess I wouldn't want to play Alekhine from there with a local league match at stake. But after 50.a5 I don't see how he'll get that c pawn home ahead of the a pawn; e.g. 51...Qf5 51 Qxf5 and they'll queen together; failing which I'll march the a pawn up the board 'til he takes mine and I'll take his.

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