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| Jan-19-06 |
| vortex: This article titled "Attack of the Chess Clones" http://www.angelfire.com/fl/chessni... refers to Magnus Carlsen and this game in particular. |
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| Feb-15-06 |
| MorphyMatt: 22.  xh6+!! is great. |
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| Sep-02-06 |
| pawnstar3: which white win against caro kann was more impressive - this game or milman-fang 2005 : L Milman vs J Fang, 2005 |
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Aug-29-07
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| FSR: I saw this game somewhere the other day. The writer said that 24.gxf7! was a novelty; the rest of the game had been played before, ending in a draw by perpetual check. If Carlsen just took a previously played game and used Fritz to find a win for White, it shows good home preparation but not much else. (Not to denigrate Carlsen -- he's amazing.) |
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| Aug-29-07 |
| MoonlitKnight: <FSR> Just to repeat what has been said before: Carlsen only knew the position up until around move 16. 18.Ng6 was improvisation over the board, although he had seen Caro-Kann games where the same theme occured. He was surprised after the game when he found out it had been played before all the way to 24.gxf7. I think that was a game between amateurs, though, so no surprise that he was unfamiliar with it. |
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| Dec-01-07 |
| scholes: Truly amazing game , and to think of it he was only 13 then . This kid gotta become world champion |
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| Jan-12-08 |
| Morphyisgod: Is it just me? or is Carlsen ridiculously good at seeing obscure mates? |
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Feb-03-08
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| Eyal: <MoonlitKnight: I think that was a game between amateurs, though, so no surprise that he was unfamiliar with it.> I'm not doubting that Carlsen was unfamiliar with this game, but in fact it was between players who are currently FM and GM (though I'm not sure what they were at the time): [Event "Pablo Gorbea mem 7th"]
[Site "Madrid"]
[Date "2003.09.01"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Almagro Llanas,Pablo"]
[Black "Gustafsson, Jan"]
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 Nd7 8.h5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 e6 11.Bf4 Ngf6 12.0-0-0 Be7 13.Kb1 Qa5 14.Ne5 0-0 15.Ne4 Rad8 16.Nxf6+ Nxf6 17.Qe2 c5 18.Ng6 fxg6 19.Qxe6+ Kh8 20.hxg6 Ng8 21.Bxh6 gxh6 22.Rxh6+ Nxh6 23.Qxe7 Nf7 24.Qf6+ Kg8 25.Rh1 Nh6 26.Qe7 Nf7 27.Qf6 Nh6 28.Qe7 Nf7 1/2 It should also be noted that even though <24.Qf6+> is somewhat less efficient (and pretty) than 24.gxf7 as played by Carlsen, it should still lead to a clear win after 24...Kg8 25.Rh1 Nh6 26.Qe7 Nf7 <27.Rh3> -threatening gxf7+ and Rg3+ with mate, instead of 27.Qf6(??) leading to the repetition - 27...Ng5 28.Rh7! Qe1+ (nothing better) 29.Qxe1 Nxh7 30.gxh7+ Kxh7. |
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Feb-03-08
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| tamar: <If Carlsen just took a previously played game and used Fritz to find a win for White, it shows good home preparation but not much else.> Not sure Carlsen works that way, or did in those days. The scary thing is he sees these variations without Fritz. |
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| Jun-12-08 |
| ravel5184: Moral: Never leave the g6-square weak against this guy. |
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| Jun-12-08 |
| Jim Bartle: Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you protect g6 by not moving either the h or f pawns, you leave the king vulnerable to a back rank mate, right? |
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| Jun-13-08 |
| ravel5184: I was kidding |
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| Jun-14-08 |
| Jim Bartle: Maybe kidding, but still with a lot of truth... |
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| Jul-23-08 |
| dzhafner: <19. Qxe6+ Kh8 20. hxg6! Black is actually defenseless. Ng8> Hi, would someone be willing to show me how it might play out after 20 ...Qb6? The best continuation seems to me to be Rxh6+.
After Rxh6 gxh6 is forced and then play might continue 22 Qxe7 ...Rde8 (Black must not allow Bxh6 now) 23 g7+ ...Kg8 24 g7xf8+ ... Rxf8 25 Bxh6? ... Rf7? 26 Qe5??? Sorry if this line has already been explained,but would someone mind writing out this path or is white simply supposed to obtain a winning endgame in this line? |
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| Aug-04-08 |
| amr52: He plays like Tal!! |
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| Sep-17-08 |
| jovack: sipke is too obsessive over material
material is important, but you need a solid position, or material advantage is always and only temporary |
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Jan-28-09
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| Chessmensch: Perhaps this appears earlier in the kibitzing (I didn't go back and read them all), but the Wikipedia article on epaulette mate makes the following interesting comment:
Carlsen–Ernst, Wijk aan Zee 2004; a twelve year old Magnus Carlsen achieves an unusual "sideways" Epaulette mate against Sipke Ernst on his way to winning the C Group at the Corus chess tournament in 2004.[3] |
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| Feb-18-09 |
| swarmoflocusts: That's brutal, especially considering how solid Ernst's position looked at first glance shortly before the beginning of the assault. |
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Jun-03-09
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| wanabe2000: I was lookimg at another game and found this article about this game. Enjoy! http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/... |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| returnoftheking: Nice article. Also the text about Viswhanatan Apte btw! |
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| Jun-04-09 |
| chillowack: Magnus here achieves a close relative of the “Swallow’s Tail Mate”. (See Keres vs Fischer, 1959 for the exact pattern.) Black could have prevented this mate (and held out a bit longer) by playing 27…Kh7, but the following interesting maneuver would still have sealed his doom: 28.Rh3+ Rh6 29. Qf5+ Kg6 30.Rg3+ Kh8 31.Qe5+ Kh7 31.Qg7#. |
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Aug-10-09
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| shakespeare: Ernst means in german "serious" - maybe he took Carlsons attack not for serious - castling into such an attack maybe heroic in Japan :-) |
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Aug-10-09
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| tamar: 16...c5? 17 Ng6! From the recent Politiken Cup (2009). Nielsen must have been in shock that he allowed this shot, so similar to Magnus' on move 18. 
click for larger view Negi vs P H Nielsen, 2009 |
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Sep-27-09
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| twoinchgroup: Not a version of the "Swallow's Tail Mate" but rather an 90 degree rotation of the "epaulet" mate with the rook playing the part of a back rank. Amazing!!! |
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| Oct-03-09 |
| chillowack: Thanks twoinchgroup, you are right: this is indeed a variant of the epaulet mate. |
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sac: 18.Ng6
